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Re: 2014 diesel production

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If I recall, Chrysler makes bank on the old Hemi design. If anything, you do them a favour buying that old pig versus a newly designed engine.

This is really the only reason I didn't already go for a Hemi---I feel like it's wrong to reward them further for bad communication and customer service.

If I jump ship - It will be to a different manufacturer.
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Old 10-09-2013, 07:45 AM
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I have to admit, I am getting discouraged. Dealer and customer service both know next to nothing.
If it's an EPA issue, they should still be able to ship to Canada.
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Sorry, I have bailed on the diesel. My dealer has one 4x4 JGC. It just happens to be the exact one I wanted except with the HEMI™ + a CD player and minus the Block heater. It's like I went back in time and ordered the HEMI™. If they ship next week, well, I have my LifeTime warranty to keep me warm at night.

Also, I went next door to tell my neighbor and my other neighbor was there as well having just filled his Diesel Mercedes with Gasoline; watch out for the color codes at Hess Green for Gas and Orange for Diesel. I have the feeling this was meant to be. I'll still be driving a diesel motorhome. And every time I stop for gas with half the range of the diesel I will not be happy.

I will still be hoping for you guys as I watch my car practically drive itself in heavy traffic next week. Already checked the sticker for the stop...
I took the HEMI on a test drive. It was pretty awesome.
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Old 10-09-2013, 08:00 AM
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I took the HEMI on a test drive. It was pretty awesome.
Same, couldn't have been happier with it other than the MPG. I hope the diesel (if it ever comes in) gives me the same smiles.
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I have to admit, I am getting discouraged. Dealer and customer service both know next to nothing.
If it's an EPA issue, they should still be able to ship to Canada.
Sadly even Canada bows to California wisdom in this regard. In regards to this Canada simply accepts the cert in kind, they do there own testing but they won't accept it if it doesn't pass California. No I don't live in Cali.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

I know this has been discussed a few times but has anyone seen an apples to apples comparison in 0-60 times for all engines? I keep finding summit diesel and v8 times but only the much lighter limited v6 gas time. This makes the gas appear faster (7.7 seconds vs diesel 7.77) than the diesel.

I'm not looking for the fastest car available or I'd get the hemi or SRT but I do find it disturbing the v6 gas could be same or faster...
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I know this has been discussed a few times but has anyone seen an apples to apples comparison in 0-60 times for all engines? I keep finding summit diesel and v8 times but only the much lighter limited v6 gas time. This makes the gas appear faster (7.7 seconds vs diesel 7.77) than the diesel.

I'm not looking for the fastest car available or I'd get the hemi or SRT but I do find it disturbing the v6 gas could be same or faster...
I have no physical data, but I have driven the diesel and spent a great deal of time in both the V6 and V8 gas... IMHO, the V6 might get a slight lead on you off the line but the diesel will blow it out of the water. I also felt that the Diesel pulled me into the seat harder than the Gas V8 but again not dealing with instruments.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Aye, there's the rub. In the US and nearly every way except MPG and maintenance, the Hemi has the Diesel beat.

OTOH, in order to meet government mandated requirements, diesels are necessary.

Must admit I find the current electric-hybrid hype amusing but suspect in the long term the TCO is going to be more than anyone admits. CVTs make more sense (though torque limited) in almost every way and if the electric companies ever go to a rate escalation scheme, electric owners are liable to be in for a surprise.

In the long term external combustion (e.g.steam) could be more efficient than battery.

But today and now the simple fact is that we already have all of the logistics in place for diesel. Nothing else can reduce the total national energy budget as fast or as inexpensively. Electric would make the most sense if we had near total nuclear or natural (wind, tidal, solar) power generation. We may some day but not now.

"Blem wit" this for CJF is that for the critical holiday season, the new diesels are sitting in storage. Personally, I'd rather have a diesel but the Pentastar in my Heep is fine for now. It does exactly what I want it to & is the best tow car I've had.

ANFSCD: Without knowing exactly what the twelve OBD-II deficiencies were, I think it unfair to gripe about CARB. Particularly those who live in the "valley of smoke" have special needs and I remember being in a Hertz Pinto heading to Edwards when the radio announcer said the air quality had improved to "unhealthy" - one of the reasons I live in Florida, here the water does not need to be imported.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

For what it's worth, they keep building the diesels. Mine just went to final inspection on VOTS (after going into production on Monday). Still D1 on MOTS though.

So it seems like Chrysler is confident they will be able to start shipping them at some (undefined) point - otherwise why would they keep making them?
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So, reading between the lines, CARB approved on the 3rd but subject to 12 penalties. They cost too much for CDJ and they are trying to lessen them now?
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:23 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

My confusion lies in the fact the Milous said earlier that the delay was not due to something needing to be "fixed" If they are trying to tune the diesels to improve the ratings for California so they do not have to pay as big of a fine, I view that as something needing to be fixed. Or, is is just that California did not give it's final blessing until 10/3 and then the EPA needs to give it's final blessing - but it is too late, as uncle sam is on vacation.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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I know this has been discussed a few times but has anyone seen an apples to apples comparison in 0-60 times for all engines? I keep finding summit diesel and v8 times but only the much lighter limited v6 gas time. This makes the gas appear faster (7.7 seconds vs diesel 7.77) than the diesel.

I'm not looking for the fastest car available or I'd get the hemi or SRT but I do find it disturbing the v6 gas could be same or faster...
There is more to it than that though. The driving dynamics of the diesel in a heavy vehicle are the best. Keeps low RPM's and effortlessly pulls the vehicle along when cruising.

Not to mention you toss in a simple $500 BlueSpark chip or the like and add 25% greater HP/TQ without hurting fuel economy. Now you have a mid 6 second 0-60 vehicle with the awesome driving dynamics, longevity and fuel economy of the diesel. Pure win.
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