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Old 10-19-2013, 10:42 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Why would anyone buy a Jeep with an off road package an not go off road??? I thought that was the whole purpose of owning a Jeep

Just wish we had more areas in Minnesota to go off road. Have to go to Northern MN for trails, none near the twin cities (that I am aware of).
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Old 10-19-2013, 10:51 AM
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Not a distraction topic at all... many of you have probably seen my towing thread I think. I don't go camping in a paved curbed retirement community, I go where you often need 4WD just to get your trailer into the campsite.

I am by no means a real off roader either but I will put the Grand Cherokee through its paces. Once we get landed where we go we take the dogs and go find those beautiful hikes to mountain tops etc. The best places you can go for this are not for the faint of vehicle.
I understand what you mean.. And don't get wrong, there's still a place within the Jeep community for those who have zero intention of doing anything resembling off-roading. It's perfectly fine to have what we would typically dub as "queens." Some just want a safe car that's good in inclement weather. And has more balls than a Hemi. For doing on road stuff. Which is fine.

However conversely, I still maintain that a Laredo based diesel equipped offering would be ideal for many. More suspension tech and much less interior refinement. It's not about the money for everyone. Some people genuinely just don't want all that other stuff. They'd rather pay the same money for cloth seats a base radio, and even better off-road manners. Something that could be to the Trailhawk what the Summit now is to the Overland. Another step outside the box. Build that, and then you will have officially stolen the entire segment. And the purists will open their wallets! Just like they do for Rubicons.
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Old 10-19-2013, 10:57 AM
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I understand what you mean.. And don't get wrong, there's still a place within the Jeep community for those who have zero intention of doing anything resembling off-roading. It's perfectly fine to have what we would typically dub as "queens." Some just want a safe car that's good in inclement weather. And has more balls than a Hemi. For doing on road stuff. Which is fine.

However conversely, I still maintain that a Laredo based diesel equipped offering would be ideal for many. More suspension tech and much less interior refinement. It's not about the money for everyone. Some people genuinely just don't want all that other stuff. They'd rather pay the same money for cloth seats a base radio, and even better off-road manners. Something that could be to the Trailhawk what the Summit now is to the Overland. Another step outside the box. Build that, and then you will have officially stolen the entire segment. And the purists will open their wallets! Just like they do for Rubicons.
I agree that the diesel should be available across the whole lineup of JGC. For starters, make the diesel available now, and not "in the near future". Chevy, this has to be frustrating for you too, as you build our beasts, and I bet you want to see them unleashed as much as we do.
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Old 10-19-2013, 11:31 AM
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I understand what you mean.. And don't get wrong, there's still a place within the Jeep community for those who have zero intention of doing anything resembling off-roading. It's perfectly fine to have what we would typically dub as "queens." Some just want a safe car that's good in inclement weather. And has more balls than a Hemi. For doing on road stuff. Which is fine. However conversely, I still maintain that a Laredo based diesel equipped offering would be ideal for many. More suspension tech and much less interior refinement. It's not about the money for everyone. Some people genuinely just don't want all that other stuff. They'd rather pay the same money for cloth seats a base radio, and even better off-road manners. Something that could be to the Trailhawk what the Summit now is to the Overland. Another step outside the box. Build that, and then you will have officially stolen the entire segment. And the purists will open their wallets! Just like they do for Rubicons.
Definitely agree, the trailhawk should be a standard trim option like it is on the little Cherokee (minus the stupid hood decal). I upgraded the radio and will enjoy the big sunroof and a few other interior niceties like the seat memory (and the gf will like the heated seats), but if I could have gotten some rubicon style cloth seats and a little less exterior chrome I would have done so.

I was very close to getting a 13 Traikhawk but really wanted the diesel and 8spd.

The Grand Cherokee has a long 'rugged' legacy.. All the way back to the original (F)SJ Cherokees and it would be nice to see a little more if that. I know the limited and overland are probably Jeep's big money makers, but a Laredo with a few mechanical upgrades (ora2 and diesel) would be huge with a pretty large segment, I think.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

As a Jeep "purist" I would pay extra to get a stripped down diesel JGC. No carpet, sunroof, adaptive cruise control ...
The TH II is my best bet at getting a new JGC similar to what I had to build myself.
Long distances to drive and lots of unpaved roads to explore requires a unique vehicle: 2014 JGC Diesel Expedition Vehicle aka Trailhawk II

I have all the accessories picked out and now into the second wait for my Skittles farting Unicrorn


Current Expedition ride: 95 ZJ 5.2 V8 Thorleyheaders, Mopar chip, Clayton long arms with 5" lift, rock sliders, Ford 8.8 with ARB locker, OBA ...
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Old 10-19-2013, 12:36 PM
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I understand what you mean.. And don't get wrong, there's still a place within the Jeep community for those who have zero intention of doing anything resembling off-roading. It's perfectly fine to have what we would typically dub as "queens." Some just want a safe car that's good in inclement weather. And has more balls than a Hemi. For doing on road stuff. Which is fine.

However conversely, I still maintain that a Laredo based diesel equipped offering would be ideal for many. More suspension tech and much less interior refinement. It's not about the money for everyone. Some people genuinely just don't want all that other stuff. They'd rather pay the same money for cloth seats a base radio, and even better off-road manners. Something that could be to the Trailhawk what the Summit now is to the Overland. Another step outside the box. Build that, and then you will have officially stolen the entire segment. And the purists will open their wallets! Just like they do for Rubicons.
I completely agree, I also believe that this is exactly where it is going. I think Corporate was concerned about the percentage dollars to the Diesel upgrade price (Same in the RAM), but I think the number of Limiteds with ORAII tell the story. I think instead of a Laredo E you might see and Laredo D, but I know where they want the Diesel volumes to be in order to do that.

If it isn't 2015, I can see 2016 including more trim levels for the Diesel as long as the sales in the current offerings sell well (which I expect they will).

To this point, all of you guys that are going to run away with your Jeeps and never speak to us again, I believe that you need to force yourself to come back and talk in the "Diesel Drivers" Thread (to be created a little after KZ). As much as this forum (not this exact thread) may convince people not to buy a Jeep Grand Cherokee in some cases, it would be nice to have a discussion area about the Engine and the experiences with how great I already know they are!

As many of you also know I do the UConnect stuff and will probably see you over there later on. I hope that you will also be able to talk about your towing experiences, mileage reviews and just general stuff about the Engine and Transmission conversation. I know you guys are all going to be impressed, we just need to put that to paper (keyboard) so that the masses understand our Diesel Crack addition the last 6 months.
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Old 10-19-2013, 12:45 PM
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Does anyone out there plan to off-road with their SFU (skittle farting unicorn)?
I also plan to go off-road with my SFU. I will be using it to pull my travel trailer to remote destinations and then take it on some trails to get even furthur off the beaten path. The only reason I am waiting for my SFU it is my only real option, all other vehicles would require to many comprises IMHO.
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I completely agree, I also believe that this is exactly where it is going. I think Corporate was concerned about the percentage dollars to the Diesel upgrade price (Same in the RAM), but I think the number of Limiteds with ORAII tell the story. I think instead of a Laredo E you might see and Laredo D, but I know where they want the Diesel volumes to be in order to do that.

If it isn't 2015, I can see 2016 including more trim levels for the Diesel as long as the sales in the current offerings sell well (which I expect they will).

To this point, all of you guys that are going to run away with your Jeeps and never speak to us again, I believe that you need to force yourself to come back and talk in the "Diesel Drivers" Thread (to be created a little after KZ). As much as this forum (not this exact thread) may convince people not to buy a Jeep Grand Cherokee in some cases, it would be nice to have a discussion area about the Engine and the experiences with how great I already know they are!

As many of you also know I do the UConnect stuff and will probably see you over there later on. I hope that you will also be able to talk about your towing experiences, mileage reviews and just general stuff about the Engine and Transmission conversation. I know you guys are all going to be impressed, we just need to put that to paper (keyboard) so that the masses understand our Diesel Crack addition the last 6 months.
Will,

Coming from an 07 WK CRD I know the potential of our unicorns and look forward to continuing discussions of them. I did not have any problems with my old one and have talked about mileage and towing on a different forum, which I no longer frequent as the garage is now my home. I had a Green Diesel Engineering eco tune on that one and had planned to do the same on my new one. After reading concerns and potential complications I will wait on tuning it. After all the unicorn may work exactly as I need it to right from the factory.
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While I think it would be great fun to go off road with my new SFU, after spending $50k+ on a diesel summit I'm not anxious to get it all scraped and scratched up. I'm going to keep it for a long time and want it to stay looking nice for a long time. That said, if there were some trails where you could take it and not beat the snot out of it I think that would be super. But like Shannon said, not much like that in our neck of the woods. There are some trails in northern MN, a 4 - 5 hr drive from here, but not sure how "rugged" they are. Maybe if I get my old 1953 M38 in running condition (after I finish restoring my great-grandfather's 1930 Ford Model A), I could tow it on a trailer behind the diesel Summit to some real trails. Now that could be fun!!
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I definitely plan on doing some off-roading. At first I'll probably only be willing to take it on some fire roads, but eventually I'll head down to Hollister and flog it thoroughly. Think I will need some rock rails first, though.
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I found a rainbow filled unicorn in the wild:

Good god, this life-sized unicorn cake is filled with rainbows

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