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Re: 2014 diesel production

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A little JGC Diesel offroading teaser :

Jeep grand cherokee 2014 ... off-road driving test - YouTube

Question..What the heck is that color on the first JGC they show!?!? It almost looks like an OD Green... I WANT!!! I am guessing this is only offered in Europe (where I am assuming this video was made)? I dont see it on the Jeep website anywhere.

JGC seemed to handle just about everything on that course with ease!

Edit: I've watched this video about 10 times over again... that OD Green Diesel with the nice Diesel chatter is awesome! If I ever need to repaint this thing down the road my Maximum Steel Metallic is going to turn OD green in a hurry! Does anyone know if we can expect this level of "noise" from ours? I sure hope so...
Look's like the whole vehicle is plasti-dip'd ODG to save the paint while off-roading. I may do something similar.
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Old 10-20-2013, 07:12 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Maybe playing "fill in the captions" will help you guys pass the time...I'll start:
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Old 10-20-2013, 08:47 AM
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You know, honestly, I can't even be mad at the guy.. He spent good money and he's pissed! Where else can you vent if not here? I don't agree with the way he went about it, especially with the excessive redundant posts, but I'm pretty sure I don't always handle my frustrations (here) the right way either. Which doesn't justify his posts, but I do understand the anger.

Scott handled it well. A lot better than I would have, but I'm too emotionally drained right now after watching the Tigers hand the stupid Red Sox the pennant, to even be offended. So hey, it is what it is. I hope the situation works out to his satisfaction, but he isn't doing himself any favors handling it like he is.

Edit: And to be really honest, he isn't even of the most offense ppl I've seen post on this site.. Dude has pics to back up his claims! Lol.. Some of these other clowns knock the cars we build simply bc it's "us" building em, and where the plant is.. But what they fail to realize is that there was no Grand Cherokee before JNAP began building em. And you don't get to build 5 million cars if you don't know what you're doing.. Yes, there will be screw ups. But the awards come bc of hard working ppl who give a damn. Not "potheads" and dope fiends.. So I just ignore em.
Chevy, thanks to you and Commando, I am attempting to approach this differently. I just keep reading it all over the place and I loose my patience... You guys reminded me that I still need to remember he is having a tough time, so I changed the tone of the conversation in another thread he posted in.

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Re: 2014 diesel production

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Willx - I do plan on towing and some road trips. I can't wait to share the towing experiences and mileage. However, it probably won't be until May or June before I have some real towing experiences with this Jeep.

Dome - I do plan on some off roading but not as heavy duty as your pictures! Would like to go on some front range trails and around Ouray and Moab. Maybe I'll see you around there! Looks more like Halloween to Veteran's Day now for delivery. If before Halloween, that would be a treat! Otherwise, it'll be a trick.
Ouray is definitely high on the list. That area is just simply amazing. The most beautiful part of this already beautiful state. Also tons of easy to moderate trails with 'blow your mind' scenery. I have not been down there is probably 7 or 8 years, but I think a trip down with the SFU is all the excuse I will need
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Since there are so many qualified people reading this thread I figured I would present this theory here.

I needed to re-torque my Lug nuts. To be sure of the torque required I looked in the latest Edition of the Owner's Manual:
http://www.jeep.com/download/pdf/man...kee-OM-5th.pdf

The manual shows a torque of 130 Ft/LBS on page 538(540 of the PDF).
I thought, this sounds high. The previous edition (4th) shows 110 ft/lbs.

The standard recommendation for Torque for 14mm Studs is 130. 130 N-M which is 95 ft/lbs. (Standard being the WTC(Wheel and Tire Council) and others.

So did Fiat(Metric) tell Detroit(U.S) the Torque should be 130 meaning 130 N-M or 95 ft/lbs but understood by Detroit as 130 ft/lbs or 176 N-M?

Everyone I have talked with in the industry says 130 ft/lbs is not right. Why did they, in the past several weeks change this in the manual to 130 ft/lbs?
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Re: 2014 diesel production

I do not know the specific torque required but since I do all my own work this is what I do:
I use my pneumatic to seat the rim, then go back with the OEM lug wrench and a LONG cheater bar to make sure everything is super tight. Also keep the cheaterbar in the Jeep in case a need to change a tire away from home arises. Never had a wheel work loss.
The shops changing tires will use pneumatic only and can tell you exactly what they use for torque setting. I bet they use the same setting for all light trucks.

You may be right about the metric to standard translation. Same happened to NASA a few years back when giving instructions to a Mars probe. Probe understood metric but was given instructions with standard numbers. Not a successful journey.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Dream Unicorn! (is that an oxymoron?)

IMHO there are only three things that an expedition JGC must have:
Diesel, Diesel, Diesel
Of course I am preaching to the choir

These are some of the things I hope are addressed on the THII

Eliminate the need to remove front fascia. Approach angle is critical and anything that reduces this should not be part of a off road vehicle.

Improve articulation. It would be better to not have QL, which reduces articulation in Rock mode, but instead have a modest factory lift and improve the amount of travel. Also allow for bigger tires. At least have the option.

Flipper glass, as someone already mentioned: it is an SUTILITYV

I expect it to come with 32" Silent Armour, good choice for stock vehicle

Dedicated space on the dash for aftermarket switches and a dedicated hole through the firewall, with grommet, to pass e-lines into the cab

Now for the real dreaming, factory built Unicorn:
Six speed manual
Fullly locking front and rear diffs
Atlas 2 type transfer case or Jeep equivalent
No carpet, rubber floor matting with lots of sound absorption
ARB style front bulbar, winch ready
Summit series sound system (gotta have tunes while on the road)

I will add the winch, Garvin Wilderness rack with shovel, HiJack mounts, lights and a Jeep Garage sticker
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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I do not know the specific torque required but since I do all my own work this is what I do:
I use my pneumatic to seat the rim, then go back with the OEM lug wrench and a LONG cheater bar to make sure everything is super tight. Also keep the cheaterbar in the Jeep in case a need to change a tire away from home arises. Never had a wheel work loss.
The shops changing tires will use pneumatic only and can tell you exactly what they use for torque setting. I bet they use the same setting for all light trucks.

You may be right about the metric to standard translation. Same happened to NASA a few years back when giving instructions to a Mars probe. Probe understood metric but was given instructions with standard numbers. Not a successful journey.
I to thought of the "Mars Metric Mishap" when I came up with this theory.

Most good tire places use a hand torque wrench to finish the job. If an Impact Wrench with a torque setting was the best way I would own one. If someone recommends one that applies an accurate amount of torque let me know. My compressor can handle anything. Once I get a new jack that can handle the height of my Jeep GC I will be doing this myself.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

If you have a two stage compressor that is more important than which impact wrench you choose. I have one from Chicago Pneumatics, no complaints.
Does not have torque readings but has three settings to adjust torque.
I set it to max and then recheck with the lug wrench.

Good to know that reputable service centers recheck the lugs.
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Why would anyone buy a Jeep with an off road package an not go off road??? I thought that was the whole purpose of owning a Jeep

Just wish we had more areas in Minnesota to go off road. Have to go to Northern MN for trails, none near the twin cities (that I am aware of).
Why would anyone buy a hand gun without intending to kill people? (I don't own any guns and I would like to take my Jeep Off-Road.)
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Why would anyone buy a hand gun without intending to kill people? (I don't own any guns and I would like to take my Jeep Off-Road.)
I'm assuming that was a rhetorical question. Plenty of people own off road capable vehicles in case they might, out of necessity, need to navigate bad roads or terrain. I do own guns but have NO intention to kill anyone...but I do intend to defend myself if necessary. Perhaps that is what you are saying?
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