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Re: 2014 diesel production

[QUOTE=jgc4ever;913972]Why would I support Jeep on this? They gave him a lemon, and then kept brushing him off for weeks, and then a month and did nothing about their sorry $55,000 product they sold him.[/QUOTEi]


jgc4ever I have to support you and Phat Ass on this. I bet you if it were there vehicle with all of the problems they would not be so conciliatory with the powers that be if they had spent 55K. Yes I would rant and rave about it and maybe even picket. LOL I have a 2006 JGC 5.7 Hemi and have never had an ounce of trouble and it has never been to the dealer except for an oil change ( 69,000 miles ). Just sold my 2006 Chevy SSR and am trying to make up my mind about a color all I know is I want a Summit/ CRD. I've walked out of the dealer once already with 2nd thoughts about the various problems I keep reading about. Not really worried about the engine, because it's been tried and proven; but I am worried about the electronics and quality of build. I'm also a little pissed that the tread was closed. So much for free speech unless you own the site. Who knows maybe the powers that be own this site or lets say own the people that own this site.
Let me stop before they decide to close this thread also. And yes I am a level 4 paying member. And so it goes!
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Old 10-20-2013, 02:11 PM
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I'm also a little pissed that the tread was closed. So much for free speech unless you own the site. Who knows maybe the powers that be own this site or lets say own the people that own this site.
Let me stop before they decide to close this thread also. And yes I am a level 4 paying member. And so it goes!
Yikes.. Pretty hefty claims you just made there.
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Yikes.. Pretty hefty claims you just made there.
Not supporting an individual who has purchased a $ 55k vehicle is also a hefty kick in the rear. I don't know who is who on this site; I don't know if you work for the company or not. But if you DID NOT work for the company and you had purchased a 55K vehicle I'm sure you would be very angry; if not something is wrong with you. I have a ton of patience but right is right. Some things you don't just turn away from and ignore. Like a rear tail gate that is out of alignment, then someone tells you it's normal. Let me just stop here.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

I'm going to steer clear of some of the recent comments and go back to the earlier discussions about what my SFU will be used for.

I ended up here with Jeep because when I looked at most of the other options, it seemed that most "SUV" manufacturers realized that the majority of people buying SUVs were really people who should be driving station wagons but didn't want the "image" of being a station wagon owner. So it seems most SUVs have gone more toward car style suspensions and functionality, at least in the mid-size category (which seems to have been punctuated by Motor Trend awarding the SUV of the year to the Forrester????).

I need a vehicle that emphasizes the utility part of SUV. I need something that's more truck than car. If I was willing to go into the full-size category, there are more truck-like SUV options, but for a host of reasons, not the least of which is parking around San Francisco, as well as poor mileage, I really don't want a full-sized SUV.

Jeep seemed to be making one of the only mid-sized SUVs that could do all the things I need. I do some advanced SCUBA diving that necessitates carrying some very heavy loads. I also volunteer with search and rescue as well as the office of emergency services (primarily major-disaster-oriented work) which requires not only carrying heavy loads but potentially driving through rough conditions and in areas where roads no longer exist (you wouldn't believe how much gear I was loaded down with during my Katrina work, as well as some of the areas I had to go). Then there's skiing in Tahoe, camping, I periodically tow, etc.

Personally I would have *loved* something like a diesel laredo. I'm often climbing into my vehicle soaking wet in my wetsuit or drysuit, covered in snow or mud or loading it up with potentially messy stuff. I'd really rather a much less "classy" interior so I wouldn't have to worry so much and I could continue using my SUV like a truck. But, I really wanted a diesel. Whenever practical, I try to choose "green options" and the diesel made sense for that. The 700+ mile range was also very attractive, especially for disaster work, added to the fact that often they bring in diesel tankers for refilling first since much of the military and "moving equipment" runs on that.

So, I guess you could say Jeep did a "smart" thing here, because I (and I suspect others) would have chosen a lower trim for our SFUs if we had the choice, but the desire to have the diesel trumped everything and pushed us into higher trims, which are more lucrative for Jeep.

This also brings up another topic, regarding the things I'd like to add (winch, safari-style rack, etc.) but I'll put that in another post. I've droned on enough in this one.
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Not supporting an individual who has purchased a $ 55k vehicle is also a hefty kick in the rear. I don't know who is who on this site; I don't know if you work for the company or not. But if you DID NOT work for the company and you had purchased a 55K vehicle I'm sure you would be very angry; if not something is wrong with you. I have a ton of patience but right is right. Some things you don't just turn away from and ignore. Like a rear tail gate that is out of alignment, then someone tells you it's normal. Let me just stop here.
Clearly you didn't read my post when Will brought the conversation over here. Trust me, I probably have more criticisms of Chrysler than most on here. But there is a right and wrong way to handle things. And personally, if it were me and I had a lawyer, I DEFINITELY wouldn't be on the Internet sayng ANYTHING about it. Especially not the most popular Jeep site in the freakin world where Chrysler and their lawyers (<plural) can see what I say about them and possibly build a case to derail mine. Dude put his freakin VIN out there. #fail

At this point, I regret even engaging the conversation. And so I'm done talking about it. Good luck to him..
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Re: 2014 diesel production

So, related to my previous post, and also because the natives seem to be getting restless during this "calm before the (kz) storm" ...

I've been trying to figure out the things I'll be adding to my SFU. I'd like to adda winch and either a full ARB-style bull bar, or possibly a smaller one (like the Rocky Road brush bar). And I'd like a heavy-duty roof rack system. I'd also like some type of running boards or something similar. Rock sliders would be nice, but I'm not planning on doing much rock crawling, though I could run into situations where I need to do some rock crawling. So something like the Rocky Road super-sliders might be an option.

Now it seems like Rocky Road has almost exactly what I want for most everything (though I gather they still haven't confirmed 2014 fitments yet). But the reviews on them seem soooo polarized. There seem to be a huge number of people that say they're the worst company ever, and then there's a fair number of people that really like their gear. But so far I haven't found any reasonable alternatives. So ... does anyone know of alternatives to the RRO gear that's similar and/or better?

Or if you have thoughts on some of these options, please feel free to comment!
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I'm going to steer clear of some of the recent comments and go back to the earlier discussions about what my SFU will be used for.

I ended up here with Jeep because when I looked at most of the other options, it seemed that most "SUV" manufacturers realized that the majority of people buying SUVs were really people who should be driving station wagons but didn't want the "image" of being a station wagon owner. So it seems most SUVs have gone more toward car style suspensions and functionality, at least in the mid-size category (which seems to have been punctuated by Motor Trend awarding the SUV of the year to the Forrester????).

So, I guess you could say Jeep did a "smart" thing here, because I (and I suspect others) would have chosen a lower trim for our SFUs if we had the choice, but the desire to have the diesel trumped everything and pushed us into higher trims, which are more lucrative for Jeep.

This also brings up another topic, regarding the things I'd like to add (winch, safari-style rack, etc.) but I'll put that in another post. I've droned on enough in this one.
I understand what you mean nautiboy, I'm just the opposite, I want the Summit but the Overland has the interior that I want; the blue indigo. So do I take a step down for the indigo interior, I'm just not sure because I also don't like the painted wheel flairs on the wheel arches; I prefer it flat like on the Summit. Also I like the sound system on the Summit. So like they say decisions decisions decisions. That blue indigo is really nice looking. Oh well.
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Boy, that was sure a far stretch. If you notice, I said Why would anyone buy a Jeep WITH AN OFF ROAD PACKAGE and not go off road??? I understand people buying jeeps for inclement weather, but there would be no need for an off road package in these situations. Off road package implies just that - off road.
I do own guns, and I very much enjoy target shooting. I do not kill, I do not hunt. I do believe in protecting my family if our lives are in danger.
Sorry, that comparison for some reason popped into my head. A gun owner I asked why he owned hand guns, said he liked having the tools. I can imagine the same answer would apply.

I am from Massachusetts. I was forced to leave my guns at boarding school (New Hampshire) because they were illegal at home in Massachusetts. I was forced to throw them away when I graduated high School, haven't had any since. In Massachusetts, you only found out a neighbor owned a gun when it was used to kill themselves, a family member or an entire family. Never once did I ever hear, except in the media, a gun was used to protect.
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I've never seen a torque over 95 ft-lbs on any car/suv. 130 seems very excessive.
This is why I think the error is because 130 N-M = 95 Ft/Lbs. The 5th edition of the Manual, published on October 1st, was intentionally changed to show a lug nut torque of "130 Ft-Lbs (176 Nm)".
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Boy, that was sure a far stretch. If you notice, I said Why would anyone buy a Jeep WITH AN OFF ROAD PACKAGE and not go off road??? I understand people buying jeeps for inclement weather, but there would be no need for an off road package in these situations. Off road package implies just that - off road.
I do own guns, and I very much enjoy target shooting. I do not kill, I do not hunt. I do believe in protecting my family if our lives are in danger.

I understand your point. I am more likely to go hunting than recreational off-roading, but I did order my GC with ORA II. Traversing a rocky river bed in the Texas hill country can be common, but I could have easily made do without ORA. However, I enjoy having the option to take it in more rugged terrain if I want. It will certainly be babied more at first. After all, I will still use for business during the week.

Another consideration I used in making the decision is that even though I am purchasing for long term ownership, when I do resell, I thought the ORA would make it more attractive for someone looking for a used Jeep for off-roading. I saw the 20" tires as a liability in that circumstance.

To each his is own... that's why there are different models and options.
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