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Old 10-22-2013, 07:25 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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This whole situation is starting to get way out of hand when people at JNAP and Jeep can't even get what's going on right between each other.
Just to clarify, technically there's nothing to get right between the suits and JNAP (read me). All they expect of me is to build bodies. All I expect of them is to run the show competently. However in their neglect, I've found a bridge to engage you (the customer) where they've fallen short. Which requires a bit of poking and prodding and relationship building with some suits in and out of the plant. But again, they don't have to tell or get anything right with me. They officially only deal with the guy in the big chair at JNAP, and last I checked he isn't engaged with you all either.

When I said my ppl are contradicting each other, I meant sources outside of JNAP within the company. We just take orders and build em. They decide what happens when. Again, just clarifying.. I'm in no official position here from Jeep/JNAP. I'm just a peon who gives a damn a lil too much.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:32 AM
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Thanks, Chevy! We appreciate your honesty and your giving us as much information as you can. My dealer is also frustrated but has been great to work with. We've all been frustrated but we're all waiting for our toys with the anticipation of a child looking forward to a birthday or Christmas. That being said, I hope we don't have to wait for Christmas!
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:36 AM
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Well, whatever the reason is for the lack of production, I am now getting truly discouraged. The fact that Jeep keeps to the story about 100% quality control inspection and then slows production tells me there is something seriously wrong.
A while back a Chrysler Canada executive told me they had 3 months production worth of diesel orders in hand. Is 2,000+ diesel units 3 months production?
With the Cherokee, Jeep seemed to be more forthcoming. There was a problem with the transmission, they said they were looking for a solution, they found a solution, announced it, fixed it and started shipping. Aren't we owed the same courtesy?

Does anyone on this board have Sergio's email address?
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:42 AM
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Well, whatever the reason is for the lack of production, I am now getting truly discouraged. The fact that Jeep keeps to the story about 100% quality control inspection and then slows production tells me there is something seriously wrong.
A while back a Chrysler Canada executive told me they had 3 months production worth of diesel orders in hand. Is 2,000+ diesel units 3 months production?
With the Cherokee, Jeep seemed to be more forthcoming. There was a problem with the transmission, they said they were looking for a solution, they found a solution, announced it, fixed it and started shipping. Aren't we owed the same courtesy?

Does anyone on this board have Sergio's email address?
I can easily answered two of the questions that you have. If there really was a big problem they would not be producing them right now. Also the allocation of diesel as per population is much much higher in Canada as compared to the allocation for the US. It was mentioned quite a few pages back that at that point in time there was approximately 1,100 vehicles for the US and approximately 200 for Canada. Based on population that's a very large amount of diesels going to Canada at that time. Of course many more than built since then.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:47 AM
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I can easily answered two of the questions that you have. If there really was a big problem they would not be producing them right now. Also the allocation of diesel per dealership is much much higher in Canada as compared to the allocation for the US. It was mentioned quite a few pages back that at that point in time there was approximately 1,100 vehicles for the US and approximately 200 for Canada. Based on population that's a very large amount of diesels going to Canada at that time. Of course many more than built since then.
Thanks but still seems like there's a problem somewhere.
As for higher penetration into Canadian market, Canadians have higher acceptance of diesel and diesel fuel is cheaper than regular gas.
One if my friends is an executive with Mercedes Canada. 80% of the ML350s sold in Canada are diesel.
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Thanks but still seems like there's a problem somewhere. As for higher penetration into Canadian market, Canadians have higher acceptance of diesel and diesel fuel is cheaper than regular gas. One if my friends is an executive with Mercedes Canada. 80% of the ML350s sold in Canada are diesel.

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Old 10-22-2013, 08:26 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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Thanks but still seems like there's a problem somewhere.
As for higher penetration into Canadian market, Canadians have higher acceptance of diesel and diesel fuel is cheaper than regular gas.
One if my friends is an executive with Mercedes Canada. 80% of the ML350s sold in Canada are diesel.
Preaching the the Choir my friend... also your friend is embellishing a little... They are usually around 78% or a little lower vs about 7-10% in the US on ML & GL (I work with Mercedes as well)

The problems of recent have been more bureaucratic than anything else. There is no specific sign of anything that is not holding up a release.

Those who have been watching this thread prior the last 3 weeks knows that every time a release came close, Milous or myself stated that they were not moving. There is no signs of anything new that would further limit anything.

Not sure what else I could say about this? I know it doesn't help any but all the cards that we can show are on the table, that's it that's all.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:02 AM
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Preaching the the Choir my friend... also your friend is embellishing a little... They are usually around 78% or a little lower vs about 7-10% in the US on ML & GL (I work with Mercedes as well) The problems of recent have been more bureaucratic than anything else. There is no specific sign of anything that is not holding up a release. Those who have been watching this thread prior the last 3 weeks knows that every time a release came close, Milous or myself stated that they were not moving. There is no signs of anything new that would further limit anything. Not sure what else I could say about this? I know it doesn't help any but all the cards that we can show are on the table, that's it that's all.
The % of MB diesels sold in Canada may rise with the introduction of the GLK 250 diesel. MB not charging premium for the Diesel engine on that model.

That being said, if there's no indication of any serious problem with our unicorns, then we must be waiting for the big product launch.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:17 AM
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The % of MB diesels sold in Canada may rise with the introduction of the GLK 250 diesel. MB not charging premium for the Diesel engine on that model.

That being said, if there's no indication of any serious problem with our unicorns, then we must be waiting for the big product launch.
Yes the GLK250 is a nice addition. More a wagon but the percentages are based on models specifically. Though I would like to see a bigger uptake on the Diesel generally the 250 struggles with the same misconceptions listed below about mileage and performance. 2006 was when Mercedes really started to push the Diesels in North American, just way more successful in Canada.
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Yes the GLK250 is a nice addition. More a wagon but the percentages are based on models specifically. Though I would like to see a bigger uptake on the Diesel generally the 250 struggles with the same misconceptions listed below about mileage and performance. 2006 was when Mercedes really started to push the Diesels in North American, just way more successful in Canada.
Lots of Cayenne, Tuareg and Q5 diesels as well up here in the frigid north(however from what I've been reading on this thread, Minnesota seems be a lot colder then T.O.)
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New to this forum. I've been searching for any news as to why my 2014 Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel Limited 4x4 which I ordered on August 24th has had its ship date rescheduled three times since being built. Latest estimated ship date is October 25th, but I'm not holding my breath. Great job by all the sleuths on here as to what could be causing the delay as my dealer has been clueless.
Welcome to another Beechcraft driver! I suppose you're interested in the EcoDiesel so both your rides burn kerosene:-) The wait is getting very frustrating. If I hadn't seen them with my own eyes I'd be skeptical that they actually exist.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

I have come to the conclusion that the arrival of the new Jeep in my driveway sooner or later is nothing to be upset over. There are more important issues in life. If getting this Jeep is your biggest frustration, than you have no problems. These units will ship when they are ready...Chrysler will not use them for fill to build a new corporate headquarters. I do not nor have I ever worked in the auto industry. I am thankful for the JNAP employees who take pride in their work. Some invite strangers to tour the plant...That is way cool! I enjoyed the pictures and find myself returning to the thread for one more look. So from somewhere, where it is trying to snow, have a great day!
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