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Old 10-23-2013, 10:16 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

By process of elimination, our rides are intentionally being held by Jeep as Jeep is uncertain enough about some aspect of them to release them. If Jeep wanted to ship these trucks, no logistical hurdle would have stopped them from shipping them already. We will remain there until they confirm with themselves that it is not a relevant issue or that the issue is corrected. Releasing this truly new vehicle with few problems and with as few California emissions fines as possible will be more important to them than our being upset or the orders that they lose due to taking so long for the release.

There is nothing more important to a car company than quality and quality ratings. A consumer reports “Don’t Buy” advisory can be death to a model. This is a new release, a new power train, and the UConnect and EVIC system has been called the best in the industry. This vehicle could be a game changer and major seller for Jeep and they are going to make as certain as they possibly can that these cars are not coming back for warranty coverage.

Waiting for a media release doesn’t really explain some trucks sitting on the lots for 6 weeks (?) now. Logistics of shipping doesn’t explain not a single CRD being shipped. Worry that a suppliers part is out of standards or that the established tolerances for a part might have been wrong makes the most sense to me. Zeus saying there was a $200 increase could be explained by the need for a new part or a new supplier. The fact that these have been shipping to Europe and Oz already, and that the only real difference is the DEF system, still makes a supplier or tolerances issue with the exhaust system the most likely culprit.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

The first vehicles produced had problems due to the factory and employees not being familiar with and not setup properly to produce the JGC up to spec. Adjustments were made real time. Vehicles that were produced early had many problems, vehicles produced later were made with the corrections. Making adjustments to the later builds is a minor issue compared to some of the original builds. The late builds are ready to go the original builds may have issues that are harder to resolve.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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Q7? If so, Cayenne. Trust me. Lol
Nope - If I buy a Porsche...my non-car-guy business partner will want one based on principal. That's gonna get expense the way he wrecks cars!
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Old 10-23-2013, 11:22 AM
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The first vehicles produced had problems due to the factory and employees not being familiar with and not setup properly to produce the JGC up to spec. Adjustments were made real time. Vehicles that were produced early had many problems, vehicles produced later were made with the corrections. Making adjustments to the later builds is a minor issue compared to some of the original builds. The late builds are ready to go the original builds may have issues that are harder to resolve. Just my guess
This is certainly a possibility, and is don't have a better guess. However, they've been building 2014s for 9 months or so, including export Diesels. Outside of a few unique components for the NAFTA diesels, I would make an uneducated guess that there were not too many surprises. But, only one surprise would require some attention after they leave the line, and that could be exactly what we are talking about here. The devil is in the details.

I'm happy with my 9/7 build as long as they make all appropriate fixes and adjustments that would make it just as quality and sound a build as the later builds. Judging from the pride of workmanship we see from the JNAP folks, I would expect this to be the way that scenario plays out. Plus, what else would 7 weeks in "inspection" get me? ;-)
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Old 10-23-2013, 11:48 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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For reference, head over to Shannon's 'JNAP Plant Tour' thread and look thru the pics.. It's not what you see, it's what you DON'T see that tells the story!
Maybe Shannon had the answer all along?

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Re: 2014 diesel production

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They have exhaust fluid now... Wasn't that part of that joke? Oh wait, that was blinker fluid. Probably a matter of time before they have a computer with a sensor to control a headlight defogging control spray.

But it will only be available on summits as a 15.725 model year update.
Hey now, I am available.

On second thought...

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Still no Fuel Economy from the EPA however the TDI Audi A6 isn't there either.
Yeah, what shows up at fueleconomy.gov has no bearing on this (or reality for that matter in many cases...). The '14 Dart is shipping but it isn't up there right now.
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Old 10-23-2013, 12:01 PM
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Anyway, it's so flippin simple. I probably overlooked it a million times. And so did the guys who came last week! And Marlon! Smh.. He should've known this one!

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But it has NOTHING to do with a retune/flash, logistics, etc. Nothing previously discussed here.

... It's so blatant I feel so dumb.
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For reference, head over to Shannon's 'JNAP Plant Tour' thread and look thru the pics.. It's not what you see, it's what you DON'T see that tells the story!
Hmph, that's a real head scratcher. It's something obvious and simple, which would imply that it's not directly related to the fact that they're diesels. And yet other JGCs are shipping, which implies it is specific to the diesels.

Something that the 3 stooges could theoretically have noticed and that Chevy and Marlon should have noticed so it's not some update/change/whatever.

Later builds might KZ first, but there's no change necessary, which implies to me that it's somehow related to how the vehicles are stored. Yet Chevy said it didn't have to do with logistics, but maybe one of us is being too pedantic about the definition of logistics....

So what about the storage of the CRDs that doesn't show up in the photos might explain the delay? Something related to how they're transported (car carriers, etc.)?
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Old 10-23-2013, 12:06 PM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

I doubt this is it, since I already guessed it earlier and Chevy has stated that it's not something that's been discussed before. But what about urea? That's something that's specific to the diesels, which might have been noticed by people. But it seems so unlikely ... I mean it's not like it's difficult to get, so you'd think that they wouldn't hold up millions in inventory due to that.

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Old 10-23-2013, 12:09 PM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Just spoke with my local dealer to find out whether the status of my JGC Limited EcoDiesel 4x4 (ordered August 24th) has changed. It has. The previously estimated October 25th ship date (which was the 4th estimated ship date change) is no longer showing. Now the only date showing is the September 29th date my build was shipped to storage.

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Old 10-23-2013, 12:17 PM
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Q7 I can see but Yukon? 2006 tech that was just a refresh of the 2002 tech? I am not even sure they have auto windshield wipers any more (been severely decontented in recent years)

Drove a 2014 Cadillac Escalade Platinum for a week... not worth even comparing. At least with the Q you will be in this decade for tech and quality.
Holy lord.. no kidding.

Q7 TDI, Q5 TDI, VW Touareg TDI, Porsche Cayenne TDI... etc.

If you are towing that heavy of a load, you will want a diesel, else you will be paying the cost difference between the big ass petrol engine gasser purchase price and the more expensive German/Jeep diesel option in about 2-4 years.

Not to mention, it won't be a pile of crap with trim levels that your grandfather would recall as being "new".

As for what I don't see in the tour shots... I don't see anyone loading vehicles. They are all parked, trains there, but nothing in motion...
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-Crash testing with diesels - which would explain the previous post about needing the final regulatory release on 10/25
Well, crash testing wouldn't be "obvious and simple". But I believe all vehicles are required to have a federal safety sticker, which I think is normally on the door or door jamb. That's something that is simple and could be seen ... Maybe they were waiting for the homologating body to approve before putting the stickers on?

I don't see a sticker on the door in the photo where vtail is kissing the back of a CRD. But if the sticker is normally on the door jamb, that wouldn't mean anything ...
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Nope - If I buy a Porsche...my non-car-guy business partner will want one based on principal. That's gonna get expense the way he wrecks cars!
Get the adaptive cruise control with PAS (Porsche Active Safe).

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