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Re: 2014 diesel production

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Thanks to the recent ZJ/WJ/KJ recall (gas tank behind rear axle goes boom)? Might fall into that category of unanticipated circumstances that someone mentioned a while back (blinker fluid maybe).

DEF is non-combustable, right? So why the need for extra protection I wonder?
Probably rocks, road debris, etc...easier to put $1 worth of steel and a couple screws then face something later on due to a punctured tank and vehicles unable to be driven due to no DEF.
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Old 10-24-2013, 11:51 PM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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Thanks to the recent ZJ/WJ/KJ recall (gas tank behind rear axle goes boom)? Might fall into that category of unanticipated circumstances that someone mentioned a while back (blinker fluid maybe).

DEF is non-combustable, right? So why the need for extra protection I wonder?
Unprotected plastic on the bottom of a car would have a lifespan of about 2 minutes
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Hmmm...it is kinda like waiting for Christmas to come as a kid....however my Australian Super V8 is over so it is off to bed to see if Santa comes in the morning.
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Old 10-25-2013, 12:11 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Think I might have to order this just to confuse people:

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Re: 2014 diesel production

Alright guys, here goes;

So the part that WAS to be installed was indeed the DEF tank. The DEF tanks were not faulty, nor was any other part of the urea system.. They simply were non existent. And it's not as simple as, "well why didn't somebody order em?" bc we didn't even have anywhere to store them.. Nor was that a part of the production process in the past, so who's job would it have been to install em?

Pilot builds are extremely low volume, so when we were running the NAFTA pilots, it's not a big deal to bring in a few specific parts, and set em to the side and put someone (most likely from the pilot team) on the line to install those parts. But in full production, those new jobs have to be accounted for. The infrastructure on/off the line has to be adjusted to accommodate full time storage of those parts, and obviously, those parts have to be present. And again, it's not as simple as, "well why wasn't that done before?" bc you have to remember, we launched the '14 WD just weeks before, and that was still a big priority. And we didn't have a summer shutdown this year for retooling and such. And we've been running 6-7 days for the past few months. Etc.. So there really wasn't much time to do any up fitting. Nor do I think the initial projections accounted for this much demand. (Which is a different story.) So there's a lot of variables and circumstances that made this go 'different'..

As for the tanks themselves, idk exactly why they were delayed, but I'm not aware of any quality issues from what we installed in the pilots, so I won't even speculate. Doesn't really matter. They're on-hand now, and have been there since around the time the guys were here for the tour. So a couple weeks at least. But (per my hint) the DEF tank is a key diesel specific part not seen in the pics, AND the guys who came never thought to ask, "where are all the tanks?" as we walked through Assembly. Nor did I think about it while we were over there. The red Summit did have one, and so did all the others we saw. But in Assembly (on the line) they were nowhere to be seen. So yes, many of the early builds were built without it. To be installed later.. And if you know anything about how auto manufacturing works, then you know the line doesn't stop unless it absolutely has to. It's crazy, bc we actually walked by the final line, which was closed off and inaccessible, but if I was able to take the guys over there, they would've seen the repair techs installing the tanks! Lol.. On a Sunday.. During a freakin open house!! And have been humping working OT to get em done since then, AND still keeping up with the daily issues that roll off the line. So trust, they're trying. Nobody's sitting around shooting the shit while you guys wait.

So - what happens with those cars that left the plant for off site storage? Well, those cars will have the tanks put on in the field where available, but other cars will come back in the plant and have them installed. Everything gets tested the same. And all of them are individually verified for proper operation. (Which is why they keep telling you all you're still in QC. I told y'all, THEY WERENT LYING! I just didn't know exactly what was up this time. Lol..) And FYI this up fitting has been happening since the guys left. Most are done now. But nobody's will go KZ until they know ALLLLLLL of them are good is what I'm hearing. And they're sure there are no quality issues with ANY of them. ZERO! Again, which has been in progress. Which leads me to my next point..

This homologation approval period, or whatever it was called: who here remembers my "one month to ship" post in a new launch? It's not always exactly a month, but usually it is. And the reason for the period is to catch all the stuff that we did know of that we've talked about here for the past couple weeks. The issues we didn't reveal. Stuff I'll NEVER speak on. All of that comes from holding the cars. It's CYA 101. But considering the thing I last spoke of (weeks ago) was noticed AFTER the one month(ish) period, this whole tanks thing was kind of a blessing in disguise. Bc had the cars shipped 2-3 weeks ago, some of y'all would've been back to the dealer pissed! So it actually worked out. And the cars have been getting QC 'certification' for at least the last week. So, no I won't go so far as to say that I'm sure this is what the OP was told, or is talking abt, but I do believe this period to be the same thing. That's the formal name I guess.

Lastly, for those who are concerned about the tanks being done in the field, bc I know some ppl will be, trust this is not the first time. It happens all the time. By the same people who do the work in the plant. And it's not a big job with these tanks. If it were, production would've halted or never began, until we got em. I think I spoke before about a fender liner shortage that caused a lot of cars to have them installed later. Interior trim. Etc.. Happens all the time. You'll never know. And again, the cars still get checked out. As a matter of fact, they get checked more. Bc more eyes are on em. So no worries folks. Oh, and the reason I said some later builds could go KZ first is bc obviously the ones still on the grounds can be addressed first, and the even later builds are getting them as they're built, right on the line. But that was wrong. Bc that's not how they did it. They waited until ALL were/are completed and verified for quality and proper operation, and the KZ's will come (randomly) as they normally come... Which some believe to be as early as tomorrow. I don't have any info to support that, so idk.. But it could happen.

I feel like I'm missing something, but this post has gotten long.. And I need a nap. Gotta be in there in a couple hours. So I hope this makes it all make sense and clarifies things for you all. If Blinker has more to add, I'm sure we'll discuss that here tomorrow..
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Awesome Chevy! Thanks a bunch!

Fingers are crossed for a positive homologation in the next 12 hours or so.

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Thanks for the reassuring words sir. Here's to hoping!

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Chevy, thanks for clearing up the confusion, and confirming the delay. Now we just need the final "clearance from the homologating body" which should come in just a few short hours. Hopefully we will start seeing the KZ train starting soon.

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Jeep or not, if I ever make it over to JNAP man, I'm buying you guys a round or two.

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LA Auto Show - the plant has released (yes, KZ'd) two Grand Cherokee CRD's that are being shipped to Los Angeles for the upcoming auto show (press days start 11/20, public on 11/22). Another has been released (and should ship today) headed to the Miami Auto show, which starts 11/08.
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