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#1 ·
....unfortunately is being pushed back to the 3rd quarter. From an excellent source. Sorry folks
 
#3,585 ·
My source is being hush hush. My guess this means the delay will be short lived, and they will ship soon. (Gut still says Friday).
 
#3,591 ·
I'm thinking I'm going to have to take the bike to the airport on the 12th... Good thing it's just an overnight and I can probably just use a small backpack.
 
#3,639 ·
I guess we're basically in the same boat. My Explorer is not only unsafe, it is now illegal to drive (registration just expired and there's no way I'm even going to try and get it through smog) so all I have is my motorcycle until the Jeep arrives.
 
#3,600 ·
What are the chances of them releasing next week?
 
#3,608 ·
I think people are mistakenly under the impression that the holdup is largely due to the recall. I believe the recall has nothing to do with it, or at most is a very small part.

The gas models are still shipping because they likely already have the updated software...or...they have a later version that isn't as big of an issue. With that in mind, it's likely that the diesels built recently do as well.
 
#3,619 ·
Being it affects only diesels, and the government is shut down, still makes me wonder if it is a EPA hold up.
 
#3,624 ·
Hey! What about the earliest Diesel builds? Obviously I might be interested in those around 9/7. Are they going to also be properly fixed before shipping? I would assume so, but not sure how this "issue" (as Chevy calls it) would affect the earlier vs. later builds.

It would be nice to know that the first CRDs off the line will be just as good as later builds. After all, we shouldn't really be punished for being early adopters.

Thanks for any info you can offer, and I understand that the details of the "issue" are not for public consumption, so feel free to be ambiguous :)

-GK
 
#3,625 ·
Thank you, Milos, Willix, Chevy and everyone else who has been updating this post. Many of us appreciate that you are giving us as much information as you can. Please keep up the great work! :)
 
#3,632 ·
Well guys first off here is my guess to the issue... applying window stickers to all of the cars!!!! This could be because of late mileage calculations or EPA certification (and government shutdown is slowing this to a standstill?).

Secondly, even though this put a slight damper on my day.. hearing I wont get my Jeep for at least another 7-10 days minimum.... I found out I will be having a little boy next February! Ultrasound was today and once I saw that I envisioned us offroading in the Jeep, pulling a trailer with some dirtbikes or quads loaded on it, heading out hiking or camping via the Grand Cherokee, and playing hockey... which you can loosely relate to the grand cherokee since it will haul our gear.

Anyway long day, mixed emotions in some ways but amazing day in the end! Now lets get the Jeep here so I can get it ready for his arrival in a few months!
 
#3,638 ·
Well guys first off here is my guess to the issue... applying window stickers to all of the cars!!!! This could be because of late mileage calculations or EPA certification (and government shutdown is slowing this to a standstill?).

Secondly, even though this put a slight damper on my day.. hearing I wont get my Jeep for at least another 7-10 days minimum.... I found out I will be having a little boy next February! Ultrasound was today and once I saw that I envisioned us offroading in the Jeep, pulling a trailer with some dirtbikes or quads loaded on it, heading out hiking or camping via the Grand Cherokee, and playing hockey... which you can loosely relate to the grand cherokee since it will haul our gear.

Anyway long day, mixed emotions in some ways but amazing day in the end! Now lets get the Jeep here so I can get it ready for his arrival in a few months!
Congrats to you, and may you and your son one day do all you envision in your JGC.
 
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#3,672 ·
Thanks Milous! I wasn't expecting such a direct answer. Hmmm... 2/5 correct - I guess I get a big fat "F" in reading comprehension!

This is where I drew my statements from:

Incorrect: 1) There was a diesel-specific issue found and it was probably (though not definitely) addressed on the line for builds after last thursday. This also seems to require some type of update/fix to the vehicles built before the issue was addressed on the line.

Everything built for the past couple weeks has the update in place. Many (well most) of the gas models that had already left prior to that and were affected got the update off site. Problem was they found something else diesel specfic, and bc of the lack of space around here, they elected to do THAT update off site in those same "other" places.. Last I heard (yesterday), none of the diesels had got it yet though, bc they're still "updating" shipped gas cars with earlier buid dates. Nothing is in repair for that recall though in the plant. Again, all the late September builds are ok. Minus diesels. They have their own needs. But not the ones built after last Thursday. They're ok.
And

Correction: I don't know this to be FACT. I'm assuming now. Which I abhor. (Hence this clarification..)

I was told last Thursday about the movement and the "issue" and what was implied was that the issue was being resolved fairly quickly. And it was (is) my assumption that it wouldn't affect anything else thereafter, mainly bc we have no diesels in repair for it, and haven't stopped building them. But I could be wrong. Everything could be getting done offsite, without a production stop. I'm not sure at the moment... Just wanted to be clear on that.
2) and 3) were correct, so skipping those.

Incorrect 4) There might be a fix that needs to be done (related to the recall?), but it can be done at the dealer if it's not done at the plant.

Incorrect 4.a) If the fix for 4 is not ready before the "non-fix related holdup" then it sounds like they might hold up the diesels until that fix is ready, though it sounds like the fix is expected to be ready before the non-fix-related issue so is probably not going to be holding things up. (a little bit of conjecture/interpretation here on my part)

Those came from:

The recall is not related to anything to do with the Diesel Conversation at the moment except the statement following.

The "software" that may be needed to load to correct "lights" in the display can be loaded at the dealer and would be part of the pre-delivery on any JGC as is always done with Recalls on SOLD units. Just means there is nothing really to think about, It will apply to a certain VIN range and anything that was not done at the factory will be done by the dealer.

** Just keep the Recall and the Diesel Conversation Separate as it won't affect Diesel buyers as long as the fix for the RECALL is released before the Diesels **
And the idea that there was at least one thing "fix related" and one thing "non-fix related" seemed to be re-inforced by:

Close, but no cigar.. But very close.

I'll be down at one of the larger offsite yards tomorrow and will check on the ones that left last weekend... But no worries, both 'things' are being addressed. However, as you implied, some things are out of our hands.

But just look at it like this, some people will have a headstart in shipping when the coveted 'KZ' shows up, as none of those cars are coming back to JNAP. They just need a lil attention. :)
Due to the mention of "both 'things' are being addressed" and "They just need a lil attention".

Now the addition of "5) Unknown" further intrigues and complicates things.

Not that any of this really matters. They're going to ship when they ship regardless, and as Milous pointed out earlier, the fact that they're still building CRDs is a good sign. There are only so many places they can put these vehicles, so they must believe the issue will be resolved somewhat soon. Though that brings me to another thing I found confusing initially.

Marlon made mention of "12,000 CRD orders" which I found astounding for a couple reasons, including the fact that elsewhere is stated that the CRDs would be 20% of the build mix for the JGCs. With the JGCs being about 60% of the mix (right now, will change as we get further from Durango release) that's only about 150 CRDs a day. So that would take 80 days to clear those orders out. Yet within a month over 80% of the JG premium member's orders had been built. Obviously JG members represent only a small fraction of all orders, but unless JG members somehow got preferential treatment, you'd think our orders could be used to extrapolate. Of course the one caveat there is that JG members aren't really representative of the population in general since it seems we tend much more toward the upper-trim options but that should be less relevant for the CRDs because they're mostly forced into the upper trim options anyway. And if anything, it seemed like ordering an Overland was a *dis*advantage in terms of getting built, so you'd think the JG builds would actually be on the low side compared to the general population.

Now Milous has said that 1,100 have been built. And let's say that's 80% of the orders - that's 1,375 orders, which is a lot more "reasonable" though actually feels a tad on the low side. I know the US is slow to catch on to diesels, but that seems pretty low. Which either implies that the demand is lower than I expected or that by luck or an "invisible guiding hand" JG builds have gotten preferential build treatment.
 
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I would have ordered the HEMI if I thought almost two months later we were going to be here. One good thing, if it doesn't get shipped by the 16th, I will not need a new car until June. I will also be driving a 45" bus for my main vehicle for two weeks though, as I have sold the car dolly for towing my car. I could go buy a Ford today and my problems regarding this will be behind me.

How many people have given up? 90% of built buyers have been told by Jeep there cars are inspection for weeks. No jeepgarage info for them. (Though it's hard to call what we have heard lately as info). All we really know is, "there is a steady stream of things that prevents shipping indefinitely". Looks like my iPhone beat the race, it shipped today. Since I won't be home to get that it will go back though.
 
#3,659 ·
All we really know is, "there is a steady stream of things that prevents shipping indefinitely".
In the words of Robin Williams (His Scottish Personality) "and they put a flag up there to give you a wee bit of HOPE"

There "were" a number of reasons they didn't ship, There is now one reason why they are not shipping. There have been no reasons added and certainly the current recall status won't affect your delivery time by more than 1 hour to be exact.

So it isn't recalls, it isn't defects, it isn't marketing and it isn't anything that you even care about, but it will be resolved.

Milous and I will keep an eye on the situation as well as I will keep an eye on your vehicle.

:thumbsup:
 
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