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#1 ·
....unfortunately is being pushed back to the 3rd quarter. From an excellent source. Sorry folks
 
#3,663 · (Edited)
"L" means there is a material restriction...which could be anything. Maybe you had something ordered a little off the wall and it's not in stock, or not available for release yet.

Unscheduled:BX – good order available for schedulingBB – fleet order only – review by bid department
BD – special equipment processing
BE – edit error – coding error which must be corrected before order can be scheduled
BG – order has passes edit but cannot be scheduled regardless of sold status
Reason Codes:F – finance hold – automatic cancellation after 15 daysB – model or option build out
L – material restriction
M – material hold (fleet)
ZA – canceled order
Scheduled:C – tentative scheduleD – firm schedule: serial number assigned, approx time in station – 5 days
D1 – gateline: unit sequenced for production, est ship date assigned, Approx time in station – 12 days
Build:E – framingF – paint
G – trim
Built:
I – unit built, pending final inspection
J – vehicle passed final inspection but not released to carrier
JB – shipped to body vendor
JE – shipped to emissions
JJ – consigned to body vendor
JS – shipped to storage
KZ – released by plant and invoiced
Traffic Codes:KZ L – released but not shipped KZ M – first rail departureKZ N – first rail arrival
KZ O – delayed/received
KZ OA – plant hold, quality audit
KZ OB – zone, dealer, sales, vehicle prep, tax, diversion or derailment hold, dealer refusal, vehicle diverted
KZ OC – carrier delay, strike-bound, emission or safety hold, rail car shortage, bad or insufficient load, inclement weather, need shipping order, manifest error
KZ OD – mechanical failure, glass damage, vehicle in repair, lacking parts or storage hold
KZ OE – misdropped or misshipped vehicle
KZ OF – shipped air freight, stolen vehicle recovered, show vehicle, test info code, vessel sailed
KZ OG – damaged vehicle, stolen vehicle, abandon to carrier, vehicle scrapped, donate vehicle, repair and auction
KZ OH – all other “O” type carrier codes
KZ T – second rail departure
KZ U – second rail arrival
KZ X – delivered to dealer
KZ Y1 – major damage – must not be sold as new
KZ Y2 – major damage – vehicle sold at auction
 
#3,665 ·
After reading all the clues, the one that stands out to me is the one where Chevy says "it is out of our hands". This tells me they either went off site for some sort of repair - but I doubt this, as Milous and Willx say no fix is needed. My second guess, which I believe this is probably the issue, is with the final EPA/milage. Out of our hands means it is up to uncle sam, who is currently basking in the sun somewhere in Tahiti. Until he decides to get back to work, we get to sit and patiently wait. Being these things were going to ship any day, and now Milous and Willx say none are shipping this week, my deductive reasoning makes sense. Also, i have posted something similar to this earlier, and no one responded. Must be too close to what is going on. Can't ship them if there is no sticker on the window telling me how many MPG.
 
#3,666 ·
After reading all the clues, the one that stands out to me is the one where Chevy says "it is out of our hands". This tells me they either went off site for some sort of repair - but I doubt this, as Milous and Willx say no fix is needed. My second guess, which I believe this is probably the issue, is with the final EPA/milage. Out of our hands means it is up to uncle sam, who is currently basking in the sun somewhere in Tahiti. Until he decides to get back to work, we get to sit and patiently wait. Being these things were going to ship any day, and now Milous and Willx say none are shipping this week, my deductive reasoning makes sense. Also, i have posted something similar to this earlier, and no one responded. Must be too close to what is going on. Can't ship them if there is no sticker on the window telling me how many MPG.
Issue I see with this reasoning is that Uncle Sam only went to the beach a few days ago but the Jeeps have been in no-mans-land for weeks now...
 
#3,668 ·
I think the only reason I'm not obsessing over this like the rest of yonder diesel kids is, I *have* my new toy (well, one of them). The Durango is keeping me plenty happy right now.

Really, my only bitch about the Durango (ok, 2) is that it doesn't have a 2 speed transfer case with the V6 (seriously? ...the Grand has one just fine with the V6... dick move Dodge) and I don't have a wood and leather steering wheel.

Otherwise, I'm happy and content whilst I wait on my unicorn.
 
#3,674 · (Edited)
Nautiboy,

To put it very simply, Milous said the 2 statements you made (2 and 3) were correct because they are straight forward statements with uncomplicated answers. The other statements are more complex and some items mixing with the recall, which causes no tangible delays.

So either the statement is 100% true and therefore correct or not 100% therefore incorrect.
 
#3,676 ·
Nautiboy,

To put it very simply, Milous said the 2 statements you made (2 and 3) were correct because they are straight forward statements with uncomplicated answers. The other statements are more complex and some items mixing with the recall, which causes no tangible delays.
I thought that's what I was saying (e.g., that there were things that needed to be fixed, but those weren't going to cause delays).

So either the statement is 100% true and therefore correct or not 100% therefore incorrect.
So I guess I haven't quite gotten the precise wording yet. :giveup:

Oh well, I think we're basically "close enough" to what's going on.

It seems the salient point is still that there's something holding up the release which is not related to any fixes. And as soon as that gets resolved, they should start shipping. Whether or not there's some other fix/update that needs to be done is mostly irrelevant, at least in terms of diesel KZ. And likely the issue will get resolved "soon" though not this week.

And while we're needlessly pontificating, and since the EPA theory has been trotted out again, I found it interesting that one of the codes (JE) is specifically: "shipped to emissions". Maybe there's another reason Milous never posts any of the codes between "I" and "KZ". :)
 
#3,680 ·
My new theory for public consumption is that they found out that, through an act of bovine intervention, the leather in the vehicles was still alive and are negotiating with the ASPCA on humane ways to deal with it.

:D
Humane ways to deal with it? Those must be the happiest cows on the planet - they have built-in heating and cooling! Not to mention that many owners will periodically caress them with lotions. What a life!
 
#3,679 ·
No "not the EPA" from the people in the know. That tells me that is what the hold up is. Hopefully the government shutdown ends soon so we can get our unicorns out of the diesel zone.
 
#3,696 ·
If it we're ONLY that, then why didn't they get em straightened out before the govt. shutdown? Hmmm...
 
#3,684 ·
I seriously hope we will find out after this grueling and inhumane torture session ends exactly what the hold up was.
 
#3,691 ·
Call your congressmen NOW and tell them you want your Jeep:slapfight:
 
#3,694 ·
Nautiboy, I can understand your confusion, and instead of referring to your 5 point post and contradicting others, I'll just ask a couple questions:

Seeing that you joined in April, you may or may not have read about the issue back in January which I labeled "the great catastrophe" with the initial launch builds. I know a couple members in this thread will remember, but my question is, did you all ever find out what it was? I mean a lot was made of why the cars were being held up so long, and people actually had begun seeing later builds leaving while theirs allegedly sat in 'inspection.' But until I said something, nobody came forth with an explanation. I informed the forum that "something" was going on, and the evidence ppl saw here was that the older builds weren't moving. It was a big mess. And nobody had an answer why. I could've explained it, at my dismay of course bc I probably would've gotten fired, but signaling that sumn was actually going on, was sufficient for most. JeeperJohn is the first name that comes to mind as I type this, as his was the poster child of that issue.

Another "issue" that comes to mind was the seats. How'd that find its way here? Nobody knew anything abt the supplier issue and production delays until, well, an explanation was given. Ppl had begun to speculate and b!tch abt us dragging our feet, and nobody came forth with an explanation until, well.. You get the point.

Those are just 2 examples of many.

In my short time here, I've been challenged on damn near everything that isn't "confirmed" by those who REALLY know what's going on inside JNAP. Yet most times, not all, but most times my intel is found to be useful. And accurate. And when it's not, I'm the first guy to go back and say, I got it wrong. Here's the deal...

So here's my point, MOST of what goes on in JNAP doesn't get 'leaked.' There just isn't anyone else in the plant who really cares about talking. And the ppl on the corporate side MAY talk when asked abt something, but then again, would YOU tell everything that isn't good news? I have yet to read anything about many of the delays and problems we've had over the course of this model's life (11-current).. And keep silent on much of it myself, because if the ppl aren't frettin' why give em a reason to? But when they are, it's SOMEBODY'S responsibility as an 'insider' to let them know something! Right?

I posted abt CRDs shipping last week, and I'll take any darts anyone wants to throw abt THAT being wrong. Better wording should have been 'moving.' Which is still accurate. And I maintain that they are moving out the plant. And out of our immediate storage. Which rules out many of the theories associated with them being idled. Telling you all that they're moving, also tells you that there isn't a build related thing holding them up. Which is why I posted it. But again, my wording was wrong, so I do apologize for any confusion that caused... But I find it weird that I didn't get pm's about where some of the cars were at/going/etc, UNTIL I said something! Why wasn't that info given to you all? Why am I being 'corrected' when I physically see what's going on? And furthermore, I know why they aren't being "shipped" to your dealers yet... TELL THE PEOPLE was my thought. Isn't that what they paid to track for? Again, which I why I said something!

So again, back to an earlier point, if it's proven that what all goes on inside JNAP isn't leaked, then when I say that there actually is another small diesel 'thing' how can ppl who didn't even know abt the past issues (non-diesel specific) say so confidently, that nothing's up? That clearly contradicts what I'm telling you! :lol: That's why you're confused!.. It'd be a lot easier, and respectful as far as I'm concerned, to just plainly say, "Chevy is wrong and doesn't know wtf he's talking abt!.. This is what 'we' know..." But when that clear line isn't drawn in the sand, then nobody knows what any of us are talking about.. I plainly stated, we're talking about different things. One involves what you all have been discussing. But there is a second thing! Period. End of conversation.. Will you ever know? Probably not.. But at least I'm willing to give you SOMETHING! And yes, you're right, it's being addressed. And is unrelated to the other unknown.

Point is, we're not on the same page anymore. And trying to help has become tiresome. And I'm tired of being checked on everything I say.. I have the upmost respect for whatever the hell Milous really does, bc if he works as hard as he does here, and this isn't even his real gig, then I can only imagine how he works at work. But to that point, I would never tell him something isn't happening in his workplace when I don't work there. Regardless of whether or not I know ppl in his company (who also don't work in his office). Chrysler is a big company. Seems like everybody here knows somebody. And it's not hard to find sources. But not everybody tells everything. Sometimes they don't even know what's happening INSIDE the plants.. Which I guess means it's not happening. Whatever... But I will tell you this, I didn't get the rep I have here by asking for it. I just don't care to qualify everything I say anymore. So sorry for the confusion, but trust me, you're not really confused. ;)
 
#3,697 · (Edited)
Wowsers. And I thought *I* typed a lot! But rest assured, that most certainly was not a tl;dr post!

Seeing that you joined in April, you may or may not have read about the issue back in January which I labeled "the great catastrophe" with the initial launch builds.
Yeah, I wasn't around for that. But I'll tell you that within just a day or two of reading this forum it was clear that your comments were to be trusted. It's hard to beat the Mark-I Eyeball! Of course sometimes there's a little processing/interpretation of the data from the M1E which can lead to confusion (such as seeing things leaving ostensibly implying shipping has begun) which is understandable.

And trying to help has become tiresome.
Well, it would be totally understandable if you gave up trying to help. But rest assured your input is highly valued, at least by myself, and I assume many others.

And I also thank you for your part in getting my Jeep built. :thumbsup:

So sorry for the confusion, but trust me, you're not really confused. ;)
:lol: Thanks!

Really can't thank everyone enough for all the help/input that's been provided, even if it's confusing at times.
 
#3,707 ·
Hi All,
Shame about yet another delay, I guess I can deal with that. I just saw my build sheet though and was wondering why no Hill Ascent feature? That is something I've read about and was looking forward to. Can anyone expand on this. Thanks for all the input from everyone. Cheers.
 
#3,709 ·
It seems by reading your signature blocks about your CRDs and its status...that all of them are Overlands or Summits. Are they the only ones being held? Has anyone recieved a Limited CRD? Im thinking about ordering a Limited.
Thanks
 
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