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Does this mean they'll be showing up in dealerships in August/September?
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Most likely Sept/Oct.
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Chrysler Group is licensed to produce the 8HP at the company’s Kokomo Transmission Plant and the Kokomo Casting plant, starting in 2013.
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As a result of this project and other targeted projects, the Bosch Emission Systems operation in Kentwood intends to secure 100 high-tech jobs by the end of 2014.
And this... is a major factor in me buying a Jeep, especially this one.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Got a question for you guys.... does anyone have "good" acceleration times for this unicorn? I have seen 7.9 second 0->60 claims as well as 1/4 mile times that look they simply copied the V6 gas numbers for now on some websites (as they are exactly the same and thats hard to believe). Any info here would be appreciated, I just cant imagine an 8 speed with this much torque couldnt beat out that v-6 gas at least to 60 if not on all the way to 1/4 mile.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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Got a question for you guys.... does anyone have "good" acceleration times for this unicorn? I have seen 7.9 second 0->60 claims as well as 1/4 mile times that look they simply copied the V6 gas numbers for now on some websites (as they are exactly the same and thats hard to believe). Any info here would be appreciated, I just cant imagine an 8 speed with this much torque couldnt beat out that v-6 gas at least to 60 if not on all the way to 1/4 mile.
I don't remember what the time was, but I know The Fast Lane Car (TFL Car) did a 0-60 test at sea level with the diesel. You can find the video on YouTube.
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:50 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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Got a question for you guys.... does anyone have "good" acceleration times for this unicorn? I have seen 7.9 second 0->60 claims as well as 1/4 mile times that look they simply copied the V6 gas numbers for now on some websites (as they are exactly the same and thats hard to believe). Any info here would be appreciated, I just cant imagine an 8 speed with this much torque couldnt beat out that v-6 gas at least to 60 if not on all the way to 1/4 mile.
Generally the Diesels are faster than the comparable Gas 6 in others I have tried but that number is only partially important. Difference with diesel is when you add a few hundred pounds to the vehicle the acceleration won't change much. The other thing the Diesels do much better at is highway passing.

Much like some of the EPA comments I have made is that testing a Gas engine side by side with a Diesel does not give a great comparision. Mainly because the diesel is better in other areas.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

The other thing with the diesel is you simply add a bluespark chip and you can stomp on v8s....
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The other thing with the diesel is you simply add a bluespark chip and you can stomp on v8s....
I really feel there has to be some large trade off for large HP and torque gains... If there was a "free" bump available why wouldn't they take it to production? Does it hurt exhaust temperatures? Durability? Gas mileage? Emissions? Or which combinations of those?

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I really feel there has to be some large trade off for large HP and torque gains... If there was a "free" bump available why wouldn't they take it to production? Does it hurt exhaust temperatures? Durability? Gas mileage? Emissions? Or which combinations of those?

Nothing comes for free...
That is a huge question with multiple answers as most Diesel tunes are plug in and selectable. I think with the EcoDiesel setup it may be a short while before we see them but....

As for the real answers to your questions, I suggest you read some Duramax or Powerstroke forums. The key is yes certain things change but if you tow regularly you can see fuel economy and emissions improvements along with that power. The manufacturer can not build a vehicle with the best tune for all situations or for that matter a switch to flip between multiple HP and torque settings because they need to certify them all without load.

Does that make sense? It just isn't a simple answer.... but I have seen similar common rail systems run hard working live hauling with a light tune in place and blow by 200,000 miles with not a single issue. Mainly because these people used the tune for a purpose and took good care of their trucks.

People running those tunes that simply dump more fuel in (black smoke stacks) are not doing their trucks or the environment a favour if you want to know the flip side of that.
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I really feel there has to be some large trade off for large HP and torque gains... If there was a "free" bump available why wouldn't they take it to production? Does it hurt exhaust temperatures? Durability? Gas mileage? Emissions? Or which combinations of those?

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Emissions and mileage. Depending on the tune you put on it you can get better mileage (detune it) or better power (tune it). Emissions will vary for sure... in addition if you take it too far you can have too high a temp and your EGR valves can burn.

I am not an expert at this sort of thing... so I will go with a "standard" tuning chip that has presets designed to provide what you are looking for. For me, for the most part, it will likely be power. If I go on a long trip then I can tune it for efficiency for the ride... it's supposed to be as easy as popping the hood and turning a dial.

Check out this link for more information on the chips...
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Re: 2014 diesel production

I had one of these things for my Ford Excursion Power Stroke. I do not have one for my VW Jetta TDI. As the technology gets more complex I am less likely to buy something that messes with it.
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I run a power commander on my bike which is a similar thing... it is nice to be able to map out the fuel system (fuel injected) and customize your ride. I can make significant changes in how my bike performs across the spectrum of economy vs. power as well as smoothing out rough spots in the power band.

Not that the bike actually needs it to run great... its just that with it I have more control and can make it run fantastic. I expect the same control from the diesel tuning chip.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Question for willx, i noticed you had a ml 320 in your history and wondered if you are also looking at the ml350 with the new off road package? It's cost with off road should be about $57,500 and that is where the top overlands will be.
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