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Old 07-17-2013, 05:59 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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I can run my 2009 VW Jetta TDI in a closed garage for an hour and there is no odor of any kind. I expect the same in the Jeep.
Ya I talked about this on my ML (very similar engine) and when hooking up my trailer there is no oder at all. I also expect the same with the Jeep
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:01 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

On my 2007 WK CRD the only smell I noticed was a bleach like scent. Nothing obtrusive but it was there. Someone once commented that it smelled like I was doing laundry. Never any smoke or soot.
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:04 AM
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Yes the filters they had on them back then were pretty good.... now with the new systems they bare actually cleaner than gas engines.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:34 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

It'd be great if dealers got demo CRDs in August or Sept.... I plan to order in November and would like to drive before I order!
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I can run my 2009 VW Jetta TDI in a closed garage for an hour and there is no odor of any kind. I expect the same in the Jeep.
It might be odorless but the fumes are still present. Unless you want to die I would strongly suggest not doing that. Seriously.

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Old 07-17-2013, 01:30 PM
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It might be odorless but the fumes are still present. Unless you want to die I would strongly suggest not doing that. Seriously.
Seriously. Carbon monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless. It will kill you. Just because you don't smell diesel exhaust it doesn't mean you're not being poisoned.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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It might be odorless but the fumes are still present. Unless you want to die I would strongly suggest not doing that. Seriously.

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The carbon monoxide content of the exhaust is minimal, therefore diesel engines are used in underground mines.[33]
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In the mines it wasn't the CO that killed them:

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In March 2012, U.S. government scientists showed that underground miners exposed to high levels of diesel fumes have a threefold increased risk for contracting lung cancer compared with those exposed to low levels. The $11.5 million Diesel Exhaust in Miners Study (DEMS) followed 12,315 miners, controlling for key carcinogens such as cigarette smoke, radon, and asbestos. This allowed scientists to isolate the effects of diesel fumes.[3][4]
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Is carbon monoxide a problem with diesel engines? Usually not, although any engine, including diesel, produces CO when combustion is incomplete. Diesel (compression ignition) engines run with an excess of air and often produce less than 1200 ppm CO. When diesel fuel is burned incompletely or when overloaded and over-fueled (rich mixture), diesel engines will produce high concentrations of CO. Diesels usually pollute the air with particulates and nitrogen oxides, not CO.
From Here: Agricultural and Biosystems Engineering @ Iowa State Univeristy

Personal experience: Part of my exhaust system on my Motorhome was malfunctioning. Great quantities of un treated exhaust poured into my motorhome. For two hours I drove like this, the smell of the diesel exhaust was unbearable. My CO detector never registered an increase of CO levels.

That said, I do not recommend warming your diesel vehicle up in a locked garage. I said this only to make clear that diesels made today have no odor at all. I may actually do the test with my Jetta and move my CO detector into the locked garage to measure the PPM.

CO2 is also toxic in large quantities. After many hours I suppose it is possible to increase the CO2 levels in an enclosed space to create a hazard.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:50 PM
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From WIki.

In the mines it wasn't the CO that killed them:

From Here: Agricultural and Biosystems Engineering @ Iowa State Univeristy

Personal experience: Part of my exhaust system on my Motorhome was malfunctioning. Great quantities of un treated exhaust poured into my motorhome. For two hours I drove like this, the smell of the diesel exhaust was unbearable. My CO detector never registered an increase of CO levels.

That said, I do not recommend warming your diesel vehicle up in a locked garage. I said this only to make clear that diesels made today have no odor at all. I may actually do the test with my Jetta and move my CO detector into the locked garage to measure the PPM.

CO2 is also toxic in large quantities. After many hours I suppose it is possible to increase the CO2 levels in an enclosed space to create a hazard.
Your quote above (only 1200ppm) illustrates the issue. Take it for what it is worth, but CO amounts as low as 667pm are dangerous to humans, at least according to Wikipedia. This causes up to 50% of hemoglobin to convert to carboxyhemoglobin (at 667ppm). At 50% you can seize or go into a coma. And once you are in a coma, it makes it very difficult to turn off your Jetta. Experiment all you want, I'm just saying you are playing with fire.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:11 PM
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over the road truckers sleep in their trucks with their motors running all the time. I could be wrong about this but I've never heard of a trucker becoming poisened from diesel fumes.

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over the road truckers sleep in their trucks with their motors running all the time. I could be wrong about this but I've never heard of a trucker becoming poisened from diesel fumes.

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True, but they don't run those trucks in enclosed spaces like garage. Forget diesel you can get CO poisoning from using Coleman camping stove inside your garage.
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Talk about it enough and the fed will mandate adding an unplesant odor as required for natural gas.

Seriously I have a pipe extension that goes on the tailpipe and extends out the door when I idle the RV periodically in the garage .
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True, but they don't run those trucks in enclosed spaces like garage. Forget diesel you can get CO poisoning from using Coleman camping stove inside your garage.
Exactly. This conversation was about a closed garage, not trucks idling out in the open air. HUGE difference.
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