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Old 11-27-2013, 11:44 PM
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Re: 2014 GC "EcoDiesel" OWNERS!!! Review..

I now have two days and 540 miles with my new CRD. My previous ride was a 2011 Hemi Grand Cherokee Overland. Here are my thoughts so far:

1. Fit and finish: 9/10. Some fogging in both headlamps. Door seams, tail gate, tail lights, hood, door handles, paint, window seals, all nearly perfect. Just a couple of panels under the dash were out of adjustment. Also, a piece of the leather dash was not tucked under next to the windshield. All easily fixed. There was just a hint of orange peel visible but I've seen worse paint jobs on 100K+ cars.

2. Dealer: 8/10. This was the second new CRD the dealer had prepped. After about 5 minutes during my vehicle "orientation", the dealer commented I knew way more than they did about the car. They did not fill the DEF tank and were not aware of the Uconnect update.

3. Engine: 10/10. Wow! I just did my first road trip. 6 hours at 60-70mph, one mountain pass, OAT 16F-49F, no wind, eco mode, 32.8 mpg. Very quiet and vibration free when just cruising. It has just the right amount of diesel rumble when you step on it to pass. The turbo kicks in and off you go. It's definitely more fun than the hemi was.

4. Handling: 9/10. The electric steering feels a little twitchy compared to my 2011 JGC. It may be an alignment issue, or I just may need to get used to it. Otherwise, it handles well. I really like the air suspension ride.

5. Drivetrain: 10/10. The ZF transmission is awesome. Shifts are very smooth. Going down long steep grades the transmission downshifted automatically using engine braking to hold my speed. At times going down steep grades it felt like the brakes were being applied to assist in maintaining speed (Adaptive Cruise Control off). It felt like hill descent control, but I was outside of the hill descent control parameters. The Adaptive Cruise Control Stop feature is great. It brought me to a stop, held my position, and accelerated after the stoplight turned green.

6. Uconnect: 9/10. A huge improvement over my 2011 setup. Very intuitive. I easily paired two iPhones, used the bluetooth connection to listen to music, set up the Nav and used it (very Garmin like), and easily updated the software. My only complaint is with the XM/Sirius reception. It drops out a lot more than my 2011 did.

The Husky X-Act fit mats are great. I highly recommend them. For the cargo area I bought the Mopar factory rubber mat and carpet. The carpet has a panel that folds out to protect the rear hatch area when loading cargo and dogs. When I put the rear seats down, I slide the rubber mat forward to cover the entire cargo area. It works great (thanks for the forum tip, Shannon). I'm installing a Direclink trailer brake controller for my next project.

Overall impression: Wow, what a great vehicle. Much more refined than the 2011. Great job JNAP folks. Thanks for the help getting me through the long, long wait forum folks.
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Old 11-28-2013, 01:53 AM
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Re: 2014 GC "EcoDiesel" OWNERS!!! Review..

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Cool, thank you! I was also thinking about those tires at some point. My salesman thinks I could sell the Michelin's on Craigslist for about $500. Maybe in the spring!
I just made that swap. Love the Wrangle AT Adventures. Drove them through some very heavy rain today for the first time (and through some huge puddles) and they did fantastic. Can't wait to try them in the snow!

Sold my Michelins for $440 on cragslist, and got the Wrangler ATs for 950 mounted and balanced.
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Old 11-28-2013, 03:11 PM
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Who are they trying to kid? That block heater cord barely reaches the radiator. Are we supposed to open the hood every time we want to plug it in?
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Who are they trying to kid? That block heater cord barely reaches the radiator. Are we supposed to open the hood every time we want to plug it in?
That's what I did on my WK. In the garage, helped to remind me to unplug it before I left in the morning. That was a good thing for me as I'm not a morning person.
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Re: 2014 GC "EcoDiesel" OWNERS!!! Review..

First of all, Happy Thanksgiving to all of you.

Second, a big thank you to everyone that has shared their delivery experiences. My Limited eco diesel is currently being shipped, according to VOTS. So needless to say I am very excited right now. Reading about all of your experiences has been very helpful. Thank you.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:56 PM
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I just made that swap. Love the Wrangle AT Adventures. Drove them through some very heavy rain today for the first time (and through some huge puddles) and they did fantastic. Can't wait to try them in the snow! Sold my Michelins for $440 on cragslist, and got the Wrangler ATs for 950 mounted and balanced.
Please let us know how they are in the snow. They look a lot more aggressive than the Michelin's. I hope the fuel mileage is still good.
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Re: 2014 GC "EcoDiesel" OWNERS!!! Review..

Well, Monday will mark two weeks since delivery and over 800 miles on my Overland. I've lived with it long enough now to share some reflections on my experience.

First, by way of background, let me say that my personal experience with SUVs began with a 2007 VW Touareg. That vehicle had a reputation as being unreliable, particularly the electrical system; but I took a chance because of the quiet and comfort (I'm 6'4" and the VW turned out to be the most comfortable vehicle I've owned), and I'm glad I did. In over 100,000 miles, the only time it was in the shop for other than routine maintenance was when a horn went defunct at 85,000.

In 2011 I was ready to replace the Touareg with another one, but had a head-turning experience when I passed a new Grand Cherokee on the highway. I discovered the Jeep had essentially all of the features of the Touareg plus some, and that the Touareg was being "dumbed down" at the same time it was experiencing a huge increase in price; so I was an early adopter once again and opted for the Grand Cherokee Overland. Turned out there was a problem with the rear hatch opening randomly even as I took delivery and drove out of the lot. Four visits to the dealer later, and on the verge of invoking the state's lemon law, Chrysler found a solution to the problem and for the next 58,000 miles, the vehicle was pretty much trouble free. The seating was not quite as comfortable for me as the Touareg, but not bad; and the Overland's other features more than made up the difference.

Almost four months ago I decided that my V6 was inadequate for towing our camping trailer efficiently; to do the job well I needed a V8 or diesel. I opted for the latter, placed an order three days after Chrysler started accepting them, and then began the wait. The 8-week delivery estimate ultimately stretched to 13, for reasons that readers of this forum will be familiar with; but my 2014 Overland did arrive, I've driven it, and here's some of what I think:

Fit & Finish. Frankly, it's not the equal of my 2011. I must have gotten a "Friday edition," because several of the trim items, both interior and exterior, simply were not fitted and secured properly. Examples include an exposed, irregularly cut carpet in the front passenger's footwell, a panel missing fasteners and flopping around in the driver's footwell, a detached piece of interior trim around the window in the rear hatch, and a poorly aligned fuel door--and there are others. Nothing huge, I guess, but not what I would expect of a $50,000 vehicle. In contrast, my 2011 had no such issues. Neither do I consider the paint job the equal of the 2011

Mechanical & Electrical. So far I think there's nothing major. I have the power tilt steering wheel set to retract when exiting, and it has developed quite a grinding sound when it nears the end of its travel. It will be looked at next week. There have also been a couple of UConnect issues, but nothing that probably can't be fixed by software updates.

Things I would Change. If I had my druthers, there are a few things from the previous generation (i.e., 2011-2013) I wish that Jeep had carried over. I wish they had kept physical switches for the heated seats and heated steering wheel; I wish they had kept the ability to display estimated arrival time, miles remaining, and elevation (altitude) simultaneously on the same GPS screen; I wish they had kept a USB port in the upper console compartment; I wish they had used something other than gray to display the transmission-selected gear number while in drive (D); and I wish they had used larger font sizes on the touch screen (I'm 20/20 vision, but the programmers must have been 20/5! They appear to have been more interested in classy appearance than readability, particularly in bright reflected light during the day). I also wish they had kept the black wheel well trim and black lowest side panel on the Overland (I travel a great deal on gravel roads, and the painted trims pieces just get beaten up, even with splash guards).

Finally, and this is a big one for me since I am so long-legged, I wish the shifter had not been moved so far left, and that something other than a t-handle had been designed. In my 2011, I could comfortably rest my leg against the center console while on long drives and/or using cruise control. Now, an area just above my knee strikes the t-handle, and during longer drives it can become very painful--some sort of padding becomes necessary. A very short test drive does not readily reveal this problem, but I wish that I had discovered it before buying--it might have been a deal breaker. If you have long legs and are accustomed to resting against the console, be sure and check this out.

Dealer Preparation. In my case, dealer prep wasn't great. DEF tank was less than half full ("we don't have any"); the fuel tank was filled only after I asked; I found out later, while on a trip, that the windshield washer tank had not been filled; their were still a few scraps of the cellophane-like protective covering that had not been removed; and there were black marks on the driver door and front passenger seat.

Summary. Despite the disappointments described above, I still consider the Grand Cherokee to be best-in-class for the price. The diesel engine and 8-speed transmission are all I hoped they would be and I'm getting great mileage. I'm not aware of any other similarly priced SUV of its size that offers such good towing and off-road capabilities.

If my GC is at all typical of the 2014s, I certainly wish Jeep's quality control were better; but assuming that the items mentioned above can be satisfactorily addressed, it's still a "keeper."

Sorry this was so long, but I trust it is helpful to others considering this vehicle.
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Old 11-30-2013, 03:48 PM
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A tale of two Diesel SUV’s: International Scout II and Jeep WK2 – the first contrasted to the best

I could not do a review of my new Jeep without paying homage to the first American turbo diesel SUV – the 1980 International Scout II. I was introduced to the economy and durability of diesel vehicles by my uncle – who was a pioneer and one of about 6,497 people who purchased a Diesel Scout in 1980. The thought of getting over 20 MPG with what at the time was cheap diesel fuel was irresistible. The truck was his pride and joy, and he left it to me when he died in 2005. In 1980 the Scout cost $11,600. In today’s dollars this vehicle would have cost $33,000. To keep things in perspective, not far from what a base WK2 Larado with a diesel would cost today, if available.

Compared to any vehicle you would purchase today the Scout had no, and I mean no frills what so ever. The only two things in common between the Scout and WK2 vehicles are that the both have diesel engines, and will go anywhere. There were no powered options in 1980 vs. the computer automated SFU that we have recently acquired. Attached to the post is a comparison of a 1980 4X4 Diesel Scout vs. a 2014 4X4 WK2 – 34 years of powertrain improvement.

I had work done so that the original nature of the truck has remained while making it safe and road worthy. It is a result of this legacy I have waited for close to two years for the Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel.

Side note: What pushed me over the edge to keep and refurbish the Scout can be found on another forum, posted by a Scout owner that met my uncle. After reading the posting I could not part with the Scout, and that has lead me to the SFU http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22013


Review of my new Jeep Grand Cherokee
After 800 miles I can say without question that this is the finest vehicle I have ever owned. I drive vehicles into the ground, with my trade in being a 2002 Saab 9-5. The technological improvements since 2002 are amazing. I know that I am going to enjoy many years of service from this vehicle.

Exterior - 9.5/10 - I found the fit and finish to be excellent overall. The only flaw I found at delivery was a rear door needed a slight adjustment to pull it in when closed. That was with using Dan B’s checklist.

Interior – 10/10 – I cannot think of any improvements to offer. The ergonomics work well for me. The seats offer a comfortable ride. I added the Husky X-Act contour mats and the Jeep Cargo area mat, and find both fit well.

Powertrain – 9.5/10 – I am impressed by the torque and power that is produced from a relatively small engine. A small increase in throttle produces power I am not used to without hitting the red-line in a gasser. I am doing mostly city driving and getting about 22MPG. I hope to see this improve.

Ride and handling – 9.5/10 – I find the ride exceptional with the air suspension. I am looking forward to the snow to take advantage of the 4 x 4 features.

Electronics – 10/10 - I enjoy technology and am very impressed with the technology in the Jeep. The Blind Spot Monitor has already proven its worth, and I am enjoying the Adaptive Cruise Control. The heated steering wheel is a plus in New England. At first I thought that the sound system was only fair, but discovered it was the poor signal from Sirius. I have now found HD radio and am impressed with the sound system.

Overall – 9.8/10 – I am very happy with my choice. As many of you I waited for a few years from the time of announcement, and I am glad that I did. Many thanks to the crew at JNAP for producing a great vehicle and keeping us informed through the weeks of production – Jeep will do well with this vehicle.
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I just made that swap. Love the Wrangle AT Adventures. Drove them through some very heavy rain today for the first time (and through some huge puddles) and they did fantastic. Can't wait to try them in the snow!

Sold my Michelins for $440 on cragslist, and got the Wrangler ATs for 950 mounted and balanced.
Are they more noisy. Did you notice a difference?
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Are they more noisy. Did you notice a difference?
They are not noisy in the least, in fact I can't hear (or feel) them at all. I had Duratracs on my H3 back in the day and those were definitely noisy, but not these.
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They are not noisy in the least, in fact I can't hear (or feel) them at all. I had Duratracs on my H3 back in the day and those were definitely noisy, but not these.
I concur. I am running the GY Wrangler AT ADVs as well and they are as quiet as the stockers. Climbed a grassy hill the other day and they gripped really well. Went right up with no slipping at all.
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Ok, Here are some thoughts about the new ride and the process:

1. Dealer knew very little about the vehicle when I ordered it and then made a great effort to outlearn me. When the truck arrived at the dealership, I called and told them I thought it has arrived (from secret knowledge). They seemed surprised and stated that the truck was out front unloading it as we speak. I scheduled pickup for the following day. When I arrived, my wife and I went over the checklist. I will now separate the dealership into two categories: Sales and Service. Sales knocked it out of the park. They ordered more DEF for me when they ran out (They sell Ram's and knew it needed it). I showed two relatively minor issues to the service guy (passenger taillight out of alignment and the fuel door poorly fit). The service guy stated that wasn't his problem and they were not a body shop. I thought, hmm what a curious answer. light bulbs began to go off. I then asked him to update the UConnect software and he stated that dealerships can not do that if the VIN doesn't ask for an update. I asked if he would check or ask the mechanic to check and he stated they don't do that. I then stated that he would check, right and he stated no. At this point I want to punch this dude. The sales guy looked at me and tried to defuse the situation by installing my new weather mats and asking if they looked okay. So then, I needed side steps and skid plates. I had already paid for these and was at their mercy. I bit my tongue and sat down to wait. The side steps were installed and look great on the truck. The dealership then took the vehicle to get extra undercoating. When the truck returned, it was 340 PM. The service guy told me that it takes 2.5 hours to install the skid plates and he would be unable to accomplish that. I told him it was an hour job and why would he lie to me. He stated that they have never installed the plates before and wanted to pad the time if there was any issues. He then told me to reschedule at my convenience. He then walked away. Once I do get the skid plates installed I will have a conversation with the general manager / service manager about how I will walk away from my free oil change, and any extra spendage of fundage because of service guy "Brad" at Ziegler in Downers Grove. on to the truck:

2. My wife and I spent a week tooling around Chicago in the new Jeep and then drove it to Austin Texas for Thanksgiving. ACC is the best thing in the world. This vehicle was simply amazing to drive. We averaged 28.9 Miles per gallon and it was amazing. Once in Austin, we drove to my Uncles gun range to shoot and have some fun. We went through some muddy areas and a lot of unimproved roads to get there. No issues. The Jeep handled everything with poise. I noticed while we were there and I fueled up the DTE came up with 701 miles. I was knocked over. My wife and I drove back yesterday from Austin to Chicago (non-stop). Driving in this truck is effortless and we had three drink stops for ourselves for every fuel stop. Jeep and JNAP should be applauded for there efforts. They certainly set the bar high. Last evening, I was sitting in traffic next to a new Land Rover and the other guy was checking the Jeep out. Simply an amazing vehicle. To steal a jingle, ... I'm loving it!
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