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There's no separate button that activates the mirror heaters either but you live with it. I guess it automatically comes on with the front or rear defrosters.
Yup rear & mirror defrosters connected. At least they made the logos the same to eliminate confusion...
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Re: 2014 GC "EcoDiesel" OWNERS!!! Review..

Oops, this got kinda long, so appologies in advance. Sorry, there are no Cliff's Notes.

Intro/Delivery
: 9.9/10
I flew in to Houston Wednesday, 01-29-14 and was met at the airport by Brainstormer. Since I covered most of the delivery stuff in the "Texas folks group buy" thread I won't repeat it here. It took about 2 hours to get everything finalized (bought the rear cargo mat and took the Chrysler 1.9% financing) and I hit the road to my sister's house without setting any of the features other than the navigation.

At my sister's house:


Spent 3 hours or so the next morning re-reading the 600+ page owner's manual (pdf on my laptop), then took the laptop out to the jeep to get everything set up. Got my phone synced, Sirius stations pre-set, and all the other settings the way I wanted (at least, to start out).

Later, I tried to buy some oil at the local parts stores, but none had any in stock. The local Jeep dealer did, though, and so I picked up 4 qts of Pennzoil Ultra Euro L @ $9.35 ea. (about the same as O'Reilly's was charging, if they had it in stock). Since I haven't driven it today, I just checked the level and it didn't use any on my trip.

I left Houston early Friday morning for SoCal. I drove about 820 miles to Las Cruces, NM, leaving about 765 miles to reach home on Saturday.

I'm going to be pretty picky in my comments that follow, so it may seem like I'm not happy with this absolutely awesome vehicle. Nothing could be further from the truth, I love it - but still...

Exterior: 9.8/10
The paint is nearly flawless, with only a very slight amount of orange peel effect. Not so much that it looks bad, and it only shows at certain angles in a few places. I could find no other imperfections in the paint, and it was a nice sunny afternoon that day. Speaking of sunny days, the Deep Auburn Pearlcoat really "pops" in the sun; I'm really glad that's what I chose!

Alignment of the doors, hood, tailgate, tailights and exhaust tips are as close to perfect as can be. None of the window rubber seals were out of place. There were no loose or improperly installed door handles, trim pieces or anything else. I like the (relatively) small amount of chrome on it, and I'll leave it the way it is.

Deduct: .2 for the minor orange peel effect.

Interior: 9.5/10
Fit and finish is exceptional; I haven't found any deficiencies in those areas. The materials are very nice, and I like the different textures of the various surfaces, both tactile and visual.

With the audio muted, I could barely hear the engine. With my usual audio level, I couldn't hear it at all. There was some wind & road noise, but mostly on the roughest road portions, and I was driving into high headwinds the entire trip. Much quieter than any other vehicle I've been in in quite awhile.

The only complaint I have is that the seats are too firm for long drives. Even stopping every couple of hours to stretch, my butt was sore by the end of the day (11-12 hours behind the wheel). I believe my ZJ has more comfortable seats as far as that part is concerned. Other than that, they look great and allow plenty of adjustment options, which helps.

Deduct: .5 for the hard seats

Engine & Transmission: 10/10
Well, what can I say that hasn't already been said? The engine just purrs, and pulls effortlessly. The 8 speed tranny is smooth, without any gear hunting. I don't think it ever downshifted on hills.

My trip home was all on interstate highways, primarily I-10 until I hit Riverside, CA. For the first 300 or so miles I varied the speed between 55 - 65, depending on the speed limit. After that, though, I kicked it on up to 75 mph through San Antonio. Once you get out of SA, the limit goes up to 80 through hill country and almost all the way to the New Mexico border.

Texas hill country - rest stop:


My calculated mileage was 24.8 for the first tank, dropping slightly to 23.6 on the 2nd tank (this was mostly the 80mph portion until NM, and then it was back to 75 mph again thru the first part of NM).

The 3rd tank got me thru the rest of NM and to the western side of AZ; I filled up for the 4th time in Quartzite, AZ. Mileage on the 3rd tank was 27.1, mostly cruising at 75 mph. The difference was that western NM and AZ were relatively flat compared with west Texas hill country.

The EVIC showed similar readings throughout the trip as my calculations, and for quite awhile during the 3rd tank it was showing 29.4 mpg. The bottom line is, when I kept it at around 65 mph, it looks like the 3.0 can easily achieve it's rated mpg, and can probably do better than 30 mpg. I'm more than happy with it!

Ride/Handling: 10/10
I describe the ride quality as more on the firm side (rather than soft) but not harsh, and controlled in turns with little body roll.

The suspension went into "aero" mode without any issues, and I actually couldn't detect it lowering when it did or raising as I slowed down, but maybe I was just overwhelmed with everything else and didn't notice. I haven't tried any of the other 4WD modes yet.

The steering takes a little more effort than I expected, and I'm feeling it in my arms today. Nonetheless, I like the responsiveness so I'll just get used to it (probably too many miles behind the wheel of my highly modified and sloppy-steering ZJ!). Oh, the tight turning radius was an unexpected surprise - no wide swings for this one. Very nice.

Electronics & other features: 9.8/10
Wow, do these have all the bells and whistles, or what? And amazing to me is that for the most part after reading about everything in the owner's manual, it was very easy to set up, and on the road, fairly easy for me to remember how to adjust most things. OK, my age is starting to show on this item! The only thing I couldn't remember how to adjust while driving was the Active Cruise Control; it was set at the factory default of the longest distance, and that was annoying so I turned it off.

I really appreciate the blind spot detection; Brainstormer pointed that out to me on the ride from the airport to the dealership. Now that I'm more used to it, I can catch the little orange triangles out of the corner of my eyes without having to fully look at the mirrors. And the forward collision warning works well, too. The backup camera will take some getting used to, as I still haven't figured out the relationship between what I see on the screen and the actual distance to the object behind me.

Use of the navigation system was very similar to my Garmin Nuvi, so that was a breeze. I do wish you could set it to stay at a specific map scale after hitting the "-" soft key (i.e., zoom out); it changes back to the default position after some seconds. I like that when I was coming up on a highway split, the "lane feature" pops up in the center of the speedometer display, showing which lanes you should be in for the you've selected. No need to look over at the center stack, as it's right in front of you.

The voice command is a cool feature, and seemed to work perfectly for adjusting the climate control, using my phone, sending voice initiated texts, etc.

Probably the only thing that's slightly irritating is that the audio settings for balance don't stay set; every time I get in I have to re-adjust them as it defaults to mostly the front right side. Someone let me know if I missed a setting somewhere, but I didn't see one to "save" my preferences.

Deduct: .2 for the audio balance not staying set to my preference

Overall thoughts & rating: 9.8/10
Jeep's designers did a heck of a job with this model. Exterior styling, ergonomics, interior accoutrements - I am very pleased with this latest Grand Cherokee.

The JNAP crew did an outstanding job with assembly and QC; I didn't find a serious flaw with anything on my Summit.

I had a great 2 days driving back home after delivery, and I am glad I had that experience. I'm running out of adjectives to describe it, but it is an awesome Jeep. Thanks to all of you who made this happen!

I can't wait to get it out on some mild trails so I can check out it's off-road capabilities.
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Re: 2014 GC "EcoDiesel" OWNERS!!! Review..

Thanks - will do. Likewise if you make it out here to SoCal.
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Thanks.
After having mine sit at the dealership for over 2 weeks I am anxious to get mine.
Great write up...
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Re: 2014 GC "EcoDiesel" OWNERS!!! Review..

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Got about 650 miles or so on Belle, and I'm not going to even bother listing all of the things I am completely enthralled by. I have been so utterly pleased with my JGCeD that my (so far) single nit-pik issue bothers me much more than it should, because frankly everything else just works. So, here it is:

Likely 5 or so months ahead of the rest of you on this, but it bothers the crap out of me that there does not appear to be a way to disable the A/C without disabling full auto control of the climate. My 2007 VW Jetta TDI has full climate control, and below the AUTO button is an ECO button - all it does is shut down the compressor, and use outside air. The Auto mode still attempts to control to the setpoints, and will ramp the fans as needed. This does not appear to be possible in the JGC -once you kill the Auto mode, it defaults to A/C on (is it always on above freezing?) and manual control of the fan - it will still heat to a setpoint if the outside air is colder than inside and the setpoint is higher than current, but fan control is entirely up to you.

I bring this up only because I live in South Florida, and live for the days where I can turn off the A/C! Temperature jokes aside, if you are anything like me, this little nit may bother you once temps get up into the high 50's and 60's and the sun is out. Seems silly to have to run the A/C in conditions like that in order to have full Auto climate control...

I warned you it was a ticky-tack complaint...still wouldn't trade her in for anything.
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Press and release to change the current setting, the
indicator illuminates when A/C is ON. Performing this
function again will cause the A/C operation to switch
into manual mode and the A/C indicator will turn off.

This should work in panel, bi-level, and floor modes.
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Here is some pics of my Limited 4x4 CRD in Maximum Steel Metallic after I applied the first layer of Zaino wax.
Good to see another Zaino user! And it shows in the pictures!

I have used Zaino on my Corvettes for more than 12 years! NOTHING better!
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I just put 200 miles on my new GC and spent most of saturday in service. On my way to the dealership to get the drivers door window control panel and module replaced because it shorted out somehow, the DEF service light came on. I let service know and there was nothing they could do because a certified diesel tech was not working saturday but they ensured me it was something minor with the pump and I can continue to drive it. On my way home a new message appeared stating service DEF car will not restart in 200 miles. Hopefully it will be fixed by end of day monday and ill let you know what the issue was. Other than these issues the jeep is great for the little I have been able to drive!
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I just put 200 miles on my new GC and spent most of saturday in service. On my way to the dealership to get the drivers door window control panel and module replaced because it shorted out somehow, the DEF service light came on. I let service know and there was nothing they could do because a certified diesel tech was not working saturday but they ensured me it was something minor with the pump and I can continue to drive it. On my way home a new message appeared stating service DEF car will not restart in 200 miles. Hopefully it will be fixed by end of day monday and ill let you know what the issue was. Other than these issues the jeep is great for the little I have been able to drive!
I had the same issue aside of the 200 mile message. My MIL came on at 340 miles telling me that the DEF system needed servicing. The dealer said something about the pickup tube needed adjusting. I still am tickled pink about the performance of my Jeep.
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Glad to hear so many are happy with their purchases. Some names I don't even recognize bc I've been away for a min. But I enjoy reading these reviews here, and in the other threads.. Thx guys and gals.
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I'm surprised by the number of people picking Auburn. I expected to be the rare bird but it appears the color is being chosen fair often.
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