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What I got out of that was it was way too long, people will start skimming at a fraction of that. Some thoughts though... 50k isn't all that much money to spend on a car anymore. It's not uncommon to have issues with a brand new car, happens all the time.

I do understand how frustrating it is, good luck with your next choice.
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Had to drive to Rochester from Syracuse and back yesterday (~75 miles, some hills)....first chance for purely highway driving.

Set cruise at 70 mph...instant was usually around 30-33 mpg(15-25F out), used about 1/4 tank and the trip MPG is now up to 27 mpg and am on track for about 625-650 miles this tank if I keep it up.

I can't wait to see what summer blend and above freezing temps will do.
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Re: 2014 GC "EcoDiesel" OWNERS!!! Review..

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50k isn't all that much money to spend on a car anymore.
While you may be right that this particular amount isn't "that much" compared to the overall landscape of vehicles. Where you're wrong is that, at that price point, the vehicle should perform and have the level of quality assurance that wouldn't leave this brand new vehicle (keep in mind 2x brand new vehicles in my case) inoperable almost immediately after purchase. It's just not acceptable and if that's OK for you, then we have highly differing standards of value for our money.

Like I said, it was an unfortunate circumstance and I took the time to write out the experience so as not to leave gaps. My apologies for providing more detail than you cared to read. </sarcasm>
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Let me explain up front that this is my personal experience with the Jeep brand, particularly with the 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Diesel, and as always this may or may not be the case for other buyers.
Fury Jeep IS a pretty great dealership- glad to hear your experience went as well as it did.

As for the ownership experience on BOTH of your WK2s, sounds terribly familiar, except that I was stuck dealing with Chrysler on my buyback. I wound up going from a 2014 HEMI Summit with too many issues to list, back down to a 2011 WK2 that has so far proven to be flawless, with a payment that's 60% less

Buying any 'model year release' vehicle is a mistake I will never make again.
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Fury Jeep IS a pretty great dealership- glad to hear your experience went as well as it did.

As for the ownership experience on BOTH of your WK2s, sounds terribly familiar, except that I was stuck dealing with Chrysler on my buyback. I wound up going from a 2014 HEMI Summit with too many issues to list, back down to a 2011 WK2 that has so far proven to be flawless, with a payment that's 60% less

Buying any 'model year release' vehicle is a mistake I will never make again.
I have been less than impressed with Fury Jeep. They treated me as second class. They acted like they did not even have the time of day for me, and had no problem with me walking out the door. I go to Park Jeep, and have found that they will go above and beyond to keep your business.
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While you may be right that this particular amount isn't "that much" compared to the overall landscape of vehicles. Where you're wrong is that, at that price point, the vehicle should perform and have the level of quality assurance that wouldn't leave this brand new vehicle (keep in mind 2x brand new vehicles in my case) inoperable almost immediately after purchase. It's just not acceptable and if that's OK for you, then we have highly differing standards of value for our money.

Like I said, it was an unfortunate circumstance and I took the time to write out the experience so as not to leave gaps. My apologies for providing more detail than you cared to read. </sarcasm>
Spare me. Most people who buy new cars regularly have run into a bad experience. My wife had a BMW that died on the way home from new car delivery costing several times as much. It took 8 weeks to get another off the boat and then that one died as well. These things happen and it doesn't matter what brand you get. I'm sorry that no magic fairy dust was sprinkled on your new car but the reality is no one gets the magic fairy dust treatment with their new car no matter what the brand or price.

As to the length of your post I am again sorry but people tend to skim through an endless rant. It isn't that I don't get it, you spent a good chunk of money and you were left with a bitter disappointment. These things happen, we have all been through it. Your response to me again reeks of how you feel you were mistreated. You were not mistreated. You got on the wrong side of statistics which means you have now joined a group including just about everyone on the planet. If this is as bad a thing as ever happens to you then you should consider yourself one of the luckiest people who ever lived. I understand how frustrating it is, how it can turn you off to an entire brand. I wish you better luck on the next go around.
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Re: 2014 GC "EcoDiesel" OWNERS!!! Review..

$50k not a lot of money?? To me it is. Our house cost $71k (in 1997), so yeah, $50k is a ton of money to us.

I'm going to get about the most bare-bones large-engine GC I can, which puts it at around $40k. It will be my new work vehicle, towing a trailer and making deliveries. You can bet that we will be praying for that Jeep to be reliable.
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Re: 2014 GC "EcoDiesel" OWNERS!!! Review..

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I'm sorry that no magic fairy dust was sprinkled on your new car but the reality is no one gets the magic fairy dust treatment with their new car no matter what the brand or price.
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If this is as bad a thing as ever happens to you then you should consider yourself one of the luckiest people who ever lived.
You have an interesting perspective crabman, one that I'd boil down to slightly pompous and incognizant mixed with a sprinkle of understanding and compassion - very odd. Like I stated in my "rant" - I've never had this level of failure in any other new or used vehicle. If this is acceptable for you then I'm not a typical Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge owner, and likely good I won't be. And, again, it was never a brand comparison - I merely stated the prior vehicles that I've had a good run with.

Peace out gents and ladies - I'm done with this account, sorry for the "rant"! If you ever get stuck in 3rd - just know you're not alone.
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Throwaway - not sure if you're even still reading since your last post indicates you're leaving the conversation. But I'll toss in a couple points for thought anyway.

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My last two vehicles have been Toyota Tundra 4x4. The 2005 (4.6) model I owned had 80k on it at purchase and 175k on it at trade. The latest, a 2008 model (5.7), had 68k on it at purchase and 80k on it at trade.
I don't feel I'm a Jeep apologist or fanboi, and the Diesel JGC is my first Jeep. I certainly don't want to downplay your experience in any way. You definitely had a rough go of it, and I'm not sure I would've hung in there with Jeep after that either. But you're not really comparing apples to apples here. You later say you're not trying to make comparisons, but you stated in your post that's exactly what you were doing:

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With that in mind I would rate both trucks rather high for dependability/reliability/build quality. This is what the GCD has to compete with in this review.
The problem is that the two examples you gave were vehicles you bought used with 80k and 68k on them. The types of things you ran into with the JGC would likely have been caught by the first owner and either fixed or had the JGC replaced. There's definitely pros and cons of buying used vs new, but one of the pros is that, generally speaking, all of the lemons have been weeded out by the time you're in the 50K+ mile range.

If you had followed your previous behavior and waited until there was a JGC EcoDiesel for sale used with 70k or 80K miles on it, your experience would likely be a lot different. There are quite a few of us here who, at least up to this point, have had flawless experiences with our EcoDiesels. So maybe in a couple years one of these flawless EDs will show up for sale (though personally you'll have to pry mine from my cold, dead hands ... ).

Since you seemed really sold on this vehicle in the beginning, maybe that's the best course for you. You have your Tundra back, so maybe hang on to that for a couple more years until some JGC EDs show up on the used market and try picking one of them up then. Maybe then you'll have the vehicle you were really hoping for and not have to worry so much about the types of issues you were so unfortunate to have experienced in your initial try.

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I'm not so sure that new-vehicle owners "weed out the lemons" for future (pre-owned) owners. It seems just as plausible to assume that the good-working new vehicles would be kept ("can't pry it out of their cold dead hands") and the lemons would be sold to some unsuspecting used-vehicle shopper. People often sell their vehicle when they decide it would be too costly to repair vs replace; and whoever gets that used vehicle gets surprised with the repairs.
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You have an interesting perspective crabman, one that I'd boil down to slightly pompous and incognizant mixed with a sprinkle of understanding and compassion - very odd. Like I stated in my "rant" - I've never had this level of failure in any other new or used vehicle. If this is acceptable for you then I'm not a typical Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge owner, and likely good I won't be. And, again, it was never a brand comparison - I merely stated the prior vehicles that I've had a good run with.

Peace out gents and ladies - I'm done with this account, sorry for the "rant"! If you ever get stuck in 3rd - just know you're not alone.
I'm old and old people tend to get pragmatic, my first house was 19k. I never said that 50k isn't a lot of money or that failure is acceptable. I did say that 50k isn't a lot of money for a car anymore and its not. I'm a life long car guy and I'm on many forums. You see posts exactly like yours (except shorter) on all of them over and over. What changes is the amount. On the P car forums you will see people saying what you said except where you put 50 they put 100k. They are every bit as indignant as you because they thought they could pay their way out of not being a statistic but statistics happen to people, not other people. In other words most every day of your life you get up and read about some other unfortunate persons house fire until one fine day you get unlucky and you don't because it was your house that was on fire.

I don't like this line of reasoning anyways because whether it was 5 dollars or 50k when you buy something it should work without failure. You shouldn't have to reach some plateau where now you can say something should work but its ok for less expensive items to not work.

You are upset and well you should be, it sucks to be you and most people know this first hand because they have been. I have been. When I read your post my heart sank and this empathy existed because I know what it feels like. But I hadn't been mistreated by life, I wasn't cheated. I had simply woke up one day and became the one that got unlucky. It happens but it was a first world problem just as it is for you now. You have to keep perspective. I can go down to the galley and see a man who had his 19 year old son die six months ago. He starts crying randomly. His son isn't going to come back but you got into your old car and drove away. See the difference?

I am sorry. I fully understand that you are upset and would be myself. I understand why you would be turned off to the brand. Just remember that this is a landing you walked away from.
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