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I was only suggesting this as I have seen this twice personally and only with left foot braking. If the system even sees the occasional pressing of both pedals (you are still lifting right foot while left foot hits) it will cause this after a few instances.

You can see why it would do that. Even my own truck did this once with a left foot braking person drove it. It has never done it with me.
Cool. I'm a Two Footed driver (can't help it, while owning another car that's manual) both feet want to be busy. I think I'm pretty good not hitting both, but ocassionally it can happen.

Glad I read this thread even though I don't own a Diesel because I have seen this error code a couple times.

But everything seems normal.
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Cool. I'm a Two Footed driver (can't help it, while owning another car that's manual) both feet want to be busy. I think I'm pretty good not hitting both, but ocassionally it can happen.

Glad I read this thread even though I don't own a Diesel because I have seen this error code a couple times.

But everything seems normal.
Yes it flashes for just a second. Think back about your foot timing when it happened. Not telling people to change their ways just think Toyota self acceleration and you will know why the software sees this issue. See I don't think it would care if you did a brake stand but that brief pulse of opposing commands would be analyzed as something abnormal. You never know there may be an update to address it but I would say it is low priority.

And no I don't recommend brake stands in 4WD vehicles with ABS (launch control excluded)
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Re: 2014 GC "EcoDiesel" OWNERS!!! Review..

Hello everyone.
I have an appointment to pick my 14' gc summit Eco up on Friday.
I'm a little nervous. Have been a f150 guy for 15 years. I now I might be in the wrong group... But can I get some feed back on what to expect with our new suv.
I travel 1,000 miles per week. (My job requires ALOT of hwy time)
I like to hunt.
And I have a baby on the way.
Is it worth the $
Any mechanical problems you have had so far?
Comfort? Seemed good on my 40 mile test drive.
Touch screen... Is as good as they say?
Air suspension system? Any problems yet.
Are headlights bright enough!

Just a few questions I had forum guys. I love car sales people... I trust buyers/owners!
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:35 PM
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Re: 2014 GC "EcoDiesel" OWNERS!!! Review..

Tonight after work I decided I wanted to try out sport mode. I figured if I was going to test sport mode, I might as well do it right ... So I headed into the Santa Cruz Mountains on some twisty runs that I frequently do on the motorcycle and in the TransAm.

I figured this would be a good test of the diesel because you have the twists and the uphill climb, and with something that heavy and high center of gravity there's only so much corner speed you can carry on entry, which means more braking on entry and acceleration throughout. That stresses the transmission shift selection and speed as well as any throttle/turbo lag. It also would be a good test of the air suspension.

The smile on my face when I got to the top pretty much said it all. For a girl with that much junk in the trunk she sure can hustle!

I had no qualms with the transmission shifts, and the grunt accelerating through and out of the corners was addictive. Mind you she's not going to beat my moto or my TA, but for something with good offroad capabilities, it was impressive. And the mileage was a fair bit better than my TA manages on those runs. Of course can't beat the moto on that count ...

Almost 2 hours in the mountains and I practically had to drag myself home. I may have reduced the trade-in value of the stock tires (which I'll be replacing shortly) but it was worth it.

A couple non-diesel-specific notes:

- the auto high-beams worked better than I expected, even in the twisty mountain roads.

- the sound system is a bit better than I originally gave it credit for. In my initial tests I was listening to Sirius since I've never had that before and was curious. Man they must compress the hell out of those streams. The lack of dynamic range, muted highs and squashed mids was apparently more the source material than the sound system. Once I plugged in my iPhone and played my own stuff, the sound was much improved. Still not to be confused with a top-end system, but sufficient. It could be even better if they would've given us another 3 or so bands on the equalizer ... but I guess they're catering to the majority who wouldn't really know what to do with that.

- took me a while but I finally got text messages to work with my iPhone. That's another one that was probably well-covered in the uconnect threads and would've known if I hadn't spent all my time talking about unicorns, rainbows, skittles and inverted pork ani (how often do you get to use the plural of anus??)

- also managed to upgrade my 8.4an to the latest version, which was a real bear on the mac. The disk image from the uconnect site for the akamai package wasn't working, so I finally opted to download from the site for jeepgarage members, but that is a windows executable so I eventually broke down and booted my windows VM so I could run the self-extracting archive. After that it all went smoothly and seems to be happily running the latest now.

Other than dinging my door within 24 hours of ownership, I couldn't be happier so far.

I'll coalesce my comments into a single review after I've had just a bit more time with her.
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Re: 2014 GC "EcoDiesel" OWNERS!!! Review..

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Hello everyone.
I have an appointment to pick my 14' gc summit Eco up on Friday.
I'm a little nervous. Have been a f150 guy for 15 years. I now I might be in the wrong group... But can I get some feed back on what to expect with our new suv.
I travel 1,000 miles per week. (My job requires ALOT of hwy time)
I like to hunt.
And I have a baby on the way.
Is it worth the $
Well, everyone's definition of "worth it" is different - it all depends on what's important to you. For me, I looked around at everything there was out there and I couldn't find another vehicle that had the same combination of UTILITY (my top criteria), offroad capabilities, economy and creature comforts.

It is one helluva piece of machinery those JNAP folks have assembled for us.

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Any mechanical problems you have had so far?
I've only had it a couple days which isn't long enough to say much, but so far everything is perfect.

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Comfort? Seemed good on my 40 mile test drive.
A lot more comfortable than I really need, to be honest. Not that I'm complaining ...

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Touch screen... Is as good as they say?
I'd say it's the best of the auto infotainment systems.

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Air suspension system? Any problems yet.
Again, only had it a couple days. No problems, and so far it is working beyond my expectations. Gives a "plush enough" ride while also remaining firm enough when loaded down or when hustling through the hills.

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Are headlights bright enough!
Plenty bright for me. And the auto high-beams work better than I expected. Let's me take better advantage of high beams. Often I get tired of turning them on/off so after a while start using them less-and-less. In auto-mode, no fatigue.
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Re: 2014 GC "EcoDiesel" OWNERS!!! Review..

Picked up my True Blue SFU on Monday. Traded in a 2011 Overland Hemi. So far I can say that this is the finest GC to date out of all the ones I have had. Thanks to all at JNAP for building such a quality vehicle. Here's a review of my experience so far.

Engine - What can I say, I love the engine. I love that it throws me to the back of my seat when I stomp on it. There is a slight bit of turbo lag but it quickly catches up. Also when cold, engine noise is a little louder than the Hemi I had on acceleration and obviously on cold starts but that is to be expected. When it's warmed up, engine noise is only slightly louder than the Hemi but that doesn't matter to me.

Transmission - Great power coming from the engine and the transmission works extremely well with getting her up and going...out of eco mode. For me, eco seems to hold it back but its great for a nice, relaxed drive. I just tend to be a little heavy on the right. Shifting is also virtually seamless and doesn't seem to gear hunt on hilly roads. I also I thought I would need to get used to operating the electronic shifter but it took no time getting used to. Haven't hit a wrong gear yet.

Uconnect - By far the best infotainment system in a vehicle that I have seen. Faster and more responsive than MyFord Touch. It also is a lot quicker playing music from my phone than the 2011 Jeep. I'd have to wait almost 2-3 minutes for the phone to connect via bluetooth and then another 30 seconds before it finally started playing music. Now, the whole process takes no more than 20-30 seconds. This is with an iPhone 4s. Sound system is exactly the same to what I had in the 2011 so no surprised there. It's a very descent sound with a good range. I'm still fine-tuning to my liking. I just wished they offered the HK system with the Overland. Also, still getting used to some of the climate controls being in UConnect vs having hard buttons.

Fit/Finish. No issues with any misaligned lights/tailgates or loose trim pieces. Also, no scuff marks/rattles/clicking seats. Still a very quiet interior and very well put together.

MPGs - Well this is a lot better than what I'm used to. On the 75 mile drive to the dealership, I was averaging 20.7 mpg in the Hemi according to the EVIC. On the return home, EVIC average showed 31.1 mpg. Around town, averaged dropped down to 28 mpg. I'm impressed so far but if it does indeed get better than this then I will be really excited. It'll be great to fill up once every 8-9 days compared to almost twice a week.

Thanks to Milous, Willx, Chevy, and Marlon for all that you do. I believe I have found the Jeep that I will keep for a long time.
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The smile on my face when I got to the top pretty much said it all. For a girl with that much junk in the trunk she sure can hustle!

I had no qualms with the transmission shifts, and the grunt accelerating through and out of the corners was addictive. Mind you she's not going to beat my moto or my TA, but for something with good offroad capabilities, it was impressive. And the mileage was a fair bit better than my TA manages on those runs. Of course can't beat the moto on that count ...

Almost 2 hours in the mountains and I practically had to drag myself home. I may have reduced the trade-in value of the stock tires (which I'll be replacing shortly) but it was worth it.

A couple non-diesel-specific notes:

- the sound system is a bit better than I originally gave it credit for. In my initial tests I was listening to Sirius since I've never had that before and was curious. Man they must compress the hell out of those streams. The lack of dynamic range, muted highs and squashed mids was apparently more the source material than the sound system. Once I plugged in my iPhone and played my own stuff, the sound was much improved. Still not to be confused with a top-end system, but sufficient. It could be even better if they would've given us another 3 or so bands on the equalizer ... but I guess they're catering to the majority who wouldn't really know what to do with that.

First off sorry for Hacking up your comments but I am working remotely and it is too tough to totally separate everything.

I wanted to be the second person to say that I am very impressed with the Sport mode handling, when driving more aggressively. I found that the Drive was sportier than many "cars" that I have driven... Let alone the fact it is AMAZING for a 5000+ Pound SUV.

As for the radio... Sirius is absolute garbage now. XM only slightly better in quality but they have tried to Jam in way to many channels and have compressed the snot out of all of them. Many channels are down to 32k which is about 1/4 of CD quality. When your term is up and they try and market to you, tell them WHY you would never subscribe. Streaming from my phone is WAY higher quality than this and it is FREE!!!.

Anybody who wants to hear their sound system for its true colors, please do not listen to Sirius Radio. It will rot your brain!
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First off sorry for Hacking up your comments but I am working remotely and it is too tough to totally separate everything.

I wanted to be the second person to say that I am very impressed with the Sport mode handling, when driving more aggressively. I found that the Drive was sportier than many "cars" that I have driven... Let alone the fact it is AMAZING for a 5000+ Pound SUV.

As for the radio... Sirius is absolute garbage now. XM only slightly better in quality but they have tried to Jam in way to many channels and have compressed the snot out of all of them. Many channels are down to 32k which is about 1/4 of CD quality. When your term is up and they try and market to you, tell them WHY you would never subscribe. Streaming from my phone is WAY higher quality than this and it is FREE!!!.

Anybody who wants to hear their sound system for its true colors, please do not listen to Sirius Radio. It will rot your brain!
so you don't own SiriusXM stock?
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- the auto high-beams worked better than I expected, even in the twisty mountain roads.
Nice review...

I too was surprised at how good the auto high-beams work. I figured it would be one of those "great on paper, bad on implementation" things, but that isn't the case at all.
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Today I was amazed by the climate control system. I live in the northeast and woke up to a chilly 35F morning. Jeep was parked outside (was too tired yesterday to play musical chairs with the other cars in the garage). Got into the car and started her up. She was idling while I was setting up my Google Music All-Access playlist on the phone. Within 3 minutes I had luke-warm air coming out of the panel vents. I was initially concerned that the diesel power plant will take forever to warm up, but somehow they engineered it to get heat quickly into the cabin. Nice job Chrysler
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Today I was amazed by the climate control system. I live in the northeast and woke up to a chilly 35F morning. Jeep was parked outside (was too tired yesterday to play musical chairs with the other cars in the garage). Got into the car and started her up. She was idling while I was setting up my Google Music All-Access playlist on the phone. Within 3 minutes I had luke-warm air coming out of the panel vents. I was initially concerned that the diesel power plant will take forever to warm up, but somehow they engineered it to get heat quickly into the cabin. Nice job Chrysler
That's good to hear. My only gripe with diesels for a long time has been how long it takes for the engine to warm up and start heating up the cabin. What you're saying would be a major plus for this engine.

I guess I'll find out soon enough - picking mine up tomorrow
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That's good to hear. My only gripe with diesels for a long time has been how long it takes for the engine to warm up and start heating up the cabin. What you're saying would be a major plus for this engine.

I guess I'll find out soon enough - picking mine up tomorrow
Looks like the Diesel gets a little help from an auxiliary unit in making cabin heat.

"An electric positive temperature coefficient (PTC) heater unit is used on vehicles when equipped with the 3.0L diesel engine. The PTC heater unit aids in passenger compartment heating by compensating for the lower engine coolant temperatures produced by the diesel engine. The PTC heater unit is mounted in the HVAC air distribution housing, downstream of the heater core and is controlled by the diesel engine control module (ECM) and the vehicle's front control module (FCM) through three relays located in the power distribution center (PDC).
So waiting for warm air doesn’t mean you have a warm engine"

Additionally, there is a reference to a 10amp fuse in space F103 for a "Cabin Heater (Diesel Only)".

That will be nice fro defrosting on cold days.
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