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Re: 2014 WK2 3.0 so far NOT so good

I hope your problems are over. I know this vehicle has a lot of processors so in agreement with an earlier post and drawing on my work in IT, most of the problems I see are the result of a faulty connection. Re-seating the cards in a new PC used to be standard when you had one shipped to you. I have solved more issues by checking all the connections and restarting the PC than by any other method. Hopefully the issue has been resolved and is not something that is a real problem that will eventually rear its head among the rest of us.
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Re: 2014 WK2 3.0 so far NOT so good

Quick question guys, as I didn't want to start an all new thread for it...my dad is waiting on a Summit Diesel (factory ordered) and I read all over the forums about this bad ground....

Would any of you fellas mind telling me exactly where this loose ground is, so that when he takes delivery, I can take it home and tighten everything up?
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Quick question guys, as I didn't want to start an all new thread for it...my dad is waiting on a Summit Diesel (factory ordered) and I read all over the forums about this bad ground....

Would any of you fellas mind telling me exactly where this loose ground is, so that when he takes delivery, I can take it home and tighten everything up?
Early on some vehicles left the factory with a ground connection to the right front (passenger side) rail not being tightened. You can see it by opening the hood and looking straight down on that side.

It became the poster child as the cause for a dashboard problem. Although they included checking the ground in the TSB concerned with the dashboard problem, the real cure was, as usual, a software upgrade.

There were a lot of folks checking the ground, as I did before ever having the problem ... It was tight. There were very few people reporting it loose.

The next is just a guess on my part. The person (s) working the station where this was missed either forgot it, or Jeep forgot to put it in the job responsibility for that station. So, maybe one, or a few shifts went by before they said, "hey you, tighten that nut". And, that problem went away ... Months ago.
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Early on some vehicles left the factory with a ground connection to the right front (passenger side) rail not being tightened. You can see it by opening the hood and looking straight down on that side.

It became the poster child as the cause for a dashboard problem. Although they included checking the ground in the TSB concerned with the dashboard problem, the real cure was, as usual, a software upgrade.

There were a lot of folks checking the ground, as I did before ever having the problem ... It was tight. There were very few people reporting it loose.

The next is just a guess on my part. The person (s) working the station where this was missed either forgot it, or Jeep forgot to put it in the job responsibility for that station. So, maybe one, or a few shifts went by before they said, "hey you, tighten that nut". And, that problem went away ... Months ago.
Well thats good to hear, since his will be built either this month or the next. I still like to know what/where the issues are so that I can diagnose them myself. I personally have a 14 JKUR and basically know what all the problems/noises are, just want to be up to speed on the GC as well. Im hoping to pick one up as the "other" vehicle sometime soon.
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Update.
No issues since picking up from the dealer. Even though all they performed were "wiggle tests" on some of the wiring connectors. It now has about 850 miles on it. Yee Haw! I've gone over 500 miles with no issues.

FYI - I was told by the dealer that the N58 TSB did not apply to diesels. And my rig is too new anyhow... built in December 2013. Dealer checked ground wires. And I rechecked as well. Found nothing loose. I did find a couple of fuses that had a little "give" when I pushed on the top of them. But I believe they still had plenty of contact area for good connection.

Will just keep driving it and hoping for the best. I love the rig otherwise. Just need to be able to trust it.
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2014 Overland, Diesel, Quadra-Drive II, Adv Tech.

First trip. 138 miles on the odometer. Driving over a mountain pass. The transmission heat shield/cover plate partially fell off and started slamming off the highway and against the bottom of the vehicle. Had to have a tow truck come and get it as I didn't have any tools in the vehicle yet. Ordered new parts with Jeep dealer under warranty.

Second trip. 171 miles on the odometer. All packed up with wife, dogs and a bunch of gear for a weekend trip out of town. Left Friday night. On freeway on-ramp and EVIC beeps and says "service four wheel drive system" and "service air suspension system". Then the EVIC goes absolutely bonkers. Warning lights for ABS and Traction Control. Check Engine light. Vehicle goes in and out of limp mode. Occasionally the brake lights will turn themselves on and won't turn off..... even if the vehicle is just sitting there parked and not running. The EVIC also flickers.

Wow. A $54,000 vehicle with 171 miles on it and already been on a tow truck once and ruined a family outing trip. Not sure I'm impressed with this thing.

As I understand it my vehicle does not apply for the P58 reflash issue. It's too new. But the symptoms sure sound similar?

Sorry. Just had to vent a bit.

Hi All. Figured I'd post another update.

On Sunday March 30 my wife and I were driving the Jeep and it did the same thing as what I described in my "second trip" paragraph above. But this time it never generated a check engine light. The ABS light and stability control light were on, and the EVIC was dinging and telling me to service the ABS system and 4 wheel drive system. I didn't have the dead pedal throttle issue this time either.

Here's what was frightening however. At one point while we were driving it back home it all of a sudden applied the stability control (on dry pavement) and it jerked the wheel to the left by itself and pulled us into on coming lanes of traffic. I quickly pulled it back into our lane. At the same time it did this it dinged and the EVIC said "service ABS system".

So, three issues in 1295 miles. Two of which are serious safety concerns (dead throttle pedal on interstate and strange application of brakes with no cause or warning, causing very hard/sudden pull to the left)

Of course, when I got within 10 miles of home all the EVIC warnings and dash lamps turned off and it all went back to normal.

Dealer says they have to catch it in the act to figure out what is wrong with it. This will be next to impossible. Too many stars have to align perfectly (I have to be near a dealer when it acts up, the dealer has to be open, the dealer has to be willing to drop everything and assign a tech to it even though I don't have an appointment, etc)

Has anybody else had this problem or am I just really unlucky?

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Wow that is awful. If it were me, I'd get my wife to start recording video of what's going on with her cell phone and don't stop recording until the vehicle is parked. Then hopefully use that to either get the dealer or Chrysler to do something or invoke my state's lemon law.
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I think that since the dealer admitted he can't help you at this point, Jeep should be sending somebody to examine the car.

I am very critical of folks who make a big deal over minor problems. What you have is far from minor and deserves some serious attention.

I think you should get on the phone with Jeep and don't stop with the customer service rep. Once you get someone to acknowledge that this is a real problem, whatever they tell you, follow up with a registered letter to that individual.

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Wow - that's now gone from really annoying to extremely serious. With all the stuff about GM at the moment, I'm thinking that Chrysler may want to get in early on this one before it gets out of hand. Good luck with it and please keep us posted.
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Update:
My local dealer replaced the front wheel hub assembly. Upon investigation of the service reports apparently the ABS module was receiving an "inplausible signal" from the wheel speed sensor. Then a bunch of other devices on the CAN bus starting throwing their own codes. Each one stating that inplausible data was received from the ABS module. So the dealer replaced the entire hub assembly, which has the wheel speed sensor in it.

I really, really, really hope this fixes it. It is off limits for my wife until I am personally convinced that it is fixed. It will take a few months to wash away my "doubt" in this vehicle.

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Seriously though. Does anybody else find it alarming that something as "simple" as a bad wheel speed sensor could cause a vehicle to absolutely freak out, have a dead pedal throttle on interstate, steer itself into oncoming lanes of traffic, etc? It's like a house of cards. One thing fails and the whole house crumbles.

In spite of all this, I sure do enjoy driving it when it is not acting up. Took it on some rough gravel roads this weekend and WOW, it handles the washboard and pot holes so nicely. Impressive.

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I once read an article about the evolution of a camera from where you had to adjust everything to take a picture to what we often see now where the camera senses light and distance to focus and adjust for the amount of light etc. They wrote about how all this smart features often took so much time he thought the camera was not working and while looking at it trying to figure out what was going on the camera finished its calculations and took a picture oh the floor or his leg.

All these computers are nice at giving us better mileage and smoother ride and safer stops on slippery roads etc but each adds one more point of failure. My GMC's anti lock brakes were screwed up and sensed skidding at the end of every stop. It was a common problem for that vehicle and annoying as hell but a sign of how these smart machines are not so smart sometimes.

I hope your problems are fixed as they sound dangerous. But just like my Jetta which really had issues with driving slow with little throttle my Jeep does not like shifting on a down hill and every once in a while I will get that shudder when stopping at slow speeds. Once it forgot that it needed to shift and well I certainly tested out the high end of the rpm range.

My issues have been experienced by others and I suspect some of them will be reduced with future updates to the mapping for the engine. The Jetta was really bad at first but updates got rid of most of the issues and one that I had on a regular basis was controlled by stepping on it in some situations where it always occurred.

Hopefully you have no more problems and you wife will not be deprived on driving it. Oh I have over 7K on it so far and only a few minor issues so far none which required attention and are more of a problem to me and not a fault of the vehicle. Oh The sirius radio antenna sucks.
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