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Re: 30K update

375 actually sounds cheap compared to what I've heard if they did the whole thing and not just a drain/refill.

in that video the pan/filter was 250

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With the pan/filter at $250 just for the part then you also will have expensive fluid is defintely an expensive service even doing to yourself.
With normal use i will probably make this a 100k change interval. With hard use and towing would make it more frequent. I dont believe in fill for life anything so if it says life then 100k should be fine assuming normal use.
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Re: 30K update

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With the pan/filter at $250 just for the part then you also will have expensive fluid is defintely an expensive service even doing to yourself.
With normal use i will probably make this a 100k change interval. With hard use and towing would make it more frequent. I dont believe in fill for life anything so if it says life then 100k should be fine assuming normal use.
Did you watch that video? Same engine/transmission. Here, I'll save you some time and get you to the good part. He's drained the fluid and taken the pan off and now we get to see what's in his pan after only 40k miles.

Skip to 46m37s.



If you keep listening, you can hear him say that He almost never goes over 65, and tries to keep it under 55 whenever he can. Shit, if that's not babying your transmission, I don't know what is. I know for sure I'll be having my fluid & pan/filter done at 40k miles, if not sooner. Preventative maintenance is best maintenance.
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Re: 30K update

It is a good idea to change the Lifeguard 8 ZF ATF but for me 60k miles or maybe more will be just fine. Unless ZF changed the design the pan and filter are ABS plastic and are integral. All ZF 5-6-8 speed transmissions are filled the same way so if you know how to do one you can do virtually any ZF transmission. Having extensive experience doing ZF changes on 5-6 spd models I see no point in changing the filter until well past 120k miles. When you change the fluid dumping what is in the pan you get about 50% out. This is a very good synthetic ATF and does run about 25 bucks per L from CTSC in California the supplier I use for parts. Caution many of the ABS pans crack after some time in service so if you can't find the source of a leak it is most likely a hairline crack from the pan...


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Re: 30K update

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good to hear it.

are you planning on doing the trans fluid at 40/50 ? I'm not sure if I trust the "lifetime" fluid, especially without a lifetime warranty.
Lifetime means exactly that...when the tranny dies that WAS the lifetime. BMW used to say the same thing...utter non-sense. Fluid & filters are cheap preventative maintenance.
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ZF recommend 50000 miles or 8 years.
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Lifetime means exactly that...when the tranny dies that WAS the lifetime.
lol, I didn't think of it that way. of course Chrysler has a different definition of "lifetime"

mopar ecodiesel's video just reinforced that though. He says his out-the-door parts (at the dealer) cost was over 600 including filter and ZF fluid...obviously he did it much cheaper using non-mopar fluid, but are you sure they didn't just drain and refill it?
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lol, I didn't think of it that way. of course Chrysler has a different definition of "lifetime"
This is exactly why I have started to prefer set-term warranties. In the last decade the MBAs have increasingly started to redefine "lifetime" to mean "the lifetime of the product", as SCMomentum mentioned.

They often do this retroactively, cf. The North Face. TNF products had real lifetime warranties (i.e. "your lifetime"), but then they decided to retcon that to mean "lifetime of the product" => "if the product failed, then its lifetime is over" and so all their older products were de-lifetimed at the stroke of a keyboard. Even worse, the warranty term is now completely at the discretion of the manufacturer.

Is "lifetime of the product" 3 years? Six months? A case-by-case basis where the term is "when did you purchase it? it expired 3 days ago." How do you know if you nearing the end of the warranty term?

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The products eligible for warranty (excluding footwear) are covered under warranty, to the original owner, for the lifetime of the product. Unfortunately, this does not mean your lifetime.
Screw that. At least with a set-term (10 year or whatever) warranty they can't play semantic games like that. I mean, I suppose they could try to change "years" to mean "revolutions of the planet Mercury around the sun" but at least you could take them to small claims court over that kind of bullshit.

Hell, even the Mopar MaxCare "lifetime" warranties do this: "lifetime" means "until we get sick of paying to repair your Jeep". Not quite as bad as TNF, but you get the point.
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Just rolled over the 30k mile mark since August 2014 and have had zero issues. Love the Jeep and it has been through 15+ inches of snow, mud and heavy rain. I will definitely go a different way on the next set of tires but so far the goodyears have made it.
great news. did you change your tires? mine (4/14) came with michelin.
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Did you watch that video? Same engine/transmission. Here, I'll save you some time and get you to the good part. He's drained the fluid and taken the pan off and now we get to see what's in his pan after only 40k miles.

Skip to 46m37s.



If you keep listening, you can hear him say that He almost never goes over 65, and tries to keep it under 55 whenever he can. Shit, if that's not babying your transmission, I don't know what is. I know for sure I'll be having my fluid & pan/filter done at 40k miles, if not sooner. Preventative maintenance is best maintenance.
yeah I did was nice and detailed and he did a good job walking through everything, he was a bit over dramatic though. I have always religiously changed my trans fluid in cars usually around 30k and have dropped countless trans pans and they always have small amounts of metal, magnets always need cleaned and fluid is always a little discolored. that fluid he had was not terrible it was clear and discolored but it was not burnt. He said early in the video that every day he routinely exceeded the temperature operating limits of the transmission with whatever the hell he does so I would not call him a normal driver if he is doing that maybe why fluid is discoloring. could it use changing, sure if you want to but it wasn't the Armageddon he was making it out to be.

Now the money part, he said $700 just for someone to go in to the dealer and buy the pan and fluid. That is just the part so im sure the dealer would easily charge another $200 or more for labor to actually do it. So that's $900 or probably more once they tack on all the other BS they add on, I don't know the true price but going by his numbers that should be in the neighborhood. you said to change it at 40k or sooner? so if I keep my jeep 10 years that I plan that would be 3-4 trans fluid changes that's $2700-$3600 for trans fluid changes. He also said that a new transmission costs $4000. Getting pretty close to the $4000 just in fluid changes lol.

Anyway im not saying not to change it as I don't believe in fill for life fluids either. I have always been very aggressive on maintenance, but guess im more used to $100 to drop a pan and filter and fluid in my garage. For this "fill for life" thing frequent changes for a "normal" driver gets into some pretty ridiculous maintenance costs that I don't think are entirely necessary, just my opinion. These transmissions are not new, BMW has been running the exact same ZF 8spd in many of their cars/SUVs and they recommend 100k change on them. ill stick with a 100k, maybe a little before, on this one and if blows up then maxcare can pay for it. If you tow, different story you need to do it more often.

I will say that is a very nice filter and magnet setup they got in there, better than any others I have seen on other cars.
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Bets warranty you can get on the diesel is 8/120K no lifetime available. FYI
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Bets warranty you can get on the diesel is 8/120K no lifetime available. FYI
Sorry for the typo, I mean "Best"
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