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Re: Anyone have a successful buy back?

First post here I like the site!

I'm tossing around a diesel GC, thinking of trading in my Rubi for it. I'll wait for summer/fall though and shoot for a 2016. Do you guys think the EGR, PCV, and overall emission systems bugs will be fixed? Buying a $60K loaded up lemon isn't something I want to chance.

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Old 02-26-2015, 11:42 AM
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First post here I like the site!

I'm tossing around a diesel GC, thinking of trading in my Rubi for it. I'll wait for summer/fall though and shoot for a 2016. Do you guys think the EGR, PCV, and overall emission systems bugs will be fixed? Buying a $60K loaded up lemon isn't something I want to chance.

Mods if this is the wrong place please move my post to the right place.-Rockydee
Not necessarily the right place, but I'll comment...

Are you trading your JKUR in because you want something more lux? Better gas mileage? What's your reasons for the JGC diesel?

I have a feeling that the newer (late 2015's and 2016's) will end up with the revised CAT and the updated software. So I'm guessing it'll be worked out. Early adopters of almost ANY product can expect glitches.

The car itself is freaking amazing. Regardless of the DEF/DPF/EGR issues. And I don't think that these CAT issues make the car a lemon, no matter what anyone else feels. Frustrating? Sure. Lemon? No way. S*&t happens to cars all the time.

Imagine how I felt with my Audi S4 knowing the thing was a freaking ticking time bomb. A $60k German masterpiece. In the beancounter's infinite wisdom they switched timing belts for chains - awesome. But they used plastic for the chain guides and stuck them in the very back of an already cramped space. When those things go, you can expect upwards of an $8k bill (some have spent way more), because it won't be during warranty. These Jeep issues seem tame by comparison.

To continue my rant, I understand that new Subaru STi owners are having the short block blow after 7k miles. Apparently it's pretty common. But on a $40k econo-racer, that's ridiculous.

Ok...so, the Jeep's not a lemon. The part is a failure. It's being rectified. It is frustrating. But it'll be back to the Jeep you love once it's all done. Rant done.
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I'm at a point in my life where I want it because I want it, if ya know what I mean. The Wrangler is great, I want something a little bigger more comfortable, etc. and better in snow for when I travel to see my daughter in CA. I owned diesel PU trucks over the years had good luck with'em but nothing with these insane emissions systems.

I'm worried about the garbage the EGR and PCV put back into the engine clogging things up. If there are easy cost effective methods to work around em I'm all ears. I just don't want to foul up the warranty.

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I'm at a point in my life where I want it because I want it, if ya know what I mean. The Wrangler is great, I want something a little bigger more comfortable, etc. and better in snow for when I travel to see my daughter in CA. I owned diesel PU trucks over the years had good luck with'em but nothing with these insane emissions systems.

I'm worried about the garbage the EGR and PCV put back into the engine clogging things up. If there are easy cost effective methods to work around em I'm all ears. I just don't want to foul up the warranty.

Thanks for getting back to me.-Rockydee
Not a problem. And I understand where you're coming from. Sounds like you're on the right path with your decision-making (and I'm not ever one to really question one's decisions).

As you know, the diesels of today aren't like the diesels you owned in your PU's. They have all the restrictive emissions equipment that essentially neuters them. The equipment can be taken off (do so at your own risk, both with emissions testing requirements and warranty). If you're out of warranty, then you don't have that to worry about. Otherwise, just enjoy the vehicle for what it is. All the bugs will be worked out when you're ready...

...but by then, there may be an updated JGC on its way with new bugs to work out!
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Re: Anyone have a successful buy back?

One thing I do have is time on my side. Its a want vs. need thing for me. I would like to do it this year and have it for the next winter so I can make the trip from VA to CA to visit my daughter driving it.-Rockydee
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here is my experience...bought the 14 limited eco in feb of 14...has been in the shop 26 days....12 trips to the shop, 3 break downs on the side of the road....today was the last straw...i traded it in.....i cant handle having such an unreliable ride....it had a ton of potential but just failed me way too often....with 41k miles i got 35k for it...im happy to wash my hands of it.....
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here is my experience...bought the 14 limited eco in feb of 14...has been in the shop 26 days....12 trips to the shop, 3 break downs on the side of the road....today was the last straw...i traded it in.....i cant handle having such an unreliable ride....it had a ton of potential but just failed me way too often....with 41k miles i got 35k for it...im happy to wash my hands of it.....
I'm not sure what you paid, but that seems like a solid trade in value, given the mileage.
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here is my experience...bought the 14 limited eco in feb of 14...has been in the shop 26 days....12 trips to the shop, 3 break downs on the side of the road....today was the last straw...i traded it in.....i cant handle having such an unreliable ride....it had a ton of potential but just failed me way too often....with 41k miles i got 35k for it...im happy to wash my hands of it.....
Why did you trade vs trying to have it lemon'd?
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Why did you trade vs trying to have it lemon'd?
He probably was outside the mileage or time requirements, especially since he had 40+k miles on a '14.
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He probably was outside the mileage or time requirements, especially since he had 40+k miles on a '14.
Exactly. Too many miles
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Exactly. Too many miles
Should still have talked to a lemon law lawyer. I was outside of my mileage and they still took my case. Apparently it still falls under other clauses.

Look into the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act .
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I could type a few pages here, but I'll try to summarize our successful buyback.
Picked up '14 GJC Limited diesel 11/14. Demo with 3500 miles.
Bad vibration at idle from day 1. Went round and round with dealer/Chrysler for 60 days.
Car spent 42 of the first 60 days in shop. Final diagnosis: low compression cylinder #6 (read; engine is toast)
I kicked and screamed in protest as they installed a new engine instead of giving me a new car.
Good news is that it left my wife stranded on the way home from the dealer after finally picking it up 1-6-15(with the new engine!)!!!
I pitched the keys on the Gen Mgrs desk along with a few choice words, and said he could have this POS back!
Long story short; the dealership completely went to bat for us and got a buy back and a replacement 2015 GJC diesel, very quickly and with zero additional stress on my part. Needless to say I was impressed! There are literally hours of hair pulling details I'm leaving out, but in the end we got the vehicle/price we wanted and are hopeful the '15s are all ironed out.
Dealer GM asked my opinion of the process. I gave him this summary:
"For years Jeep has sold $25k vehicles and probably serviced them accordingly. Now that they expect me to drop $55k on a "luxury" SUV, I expect Jeep to provide a representative level of service. Currently they do not!!" He chuckled in agreement!
Despite my dissatisfaction with the way Chrysler has dragged their feet on everything(except the buy back), I could not be happier with the dealerships efforts to make and keep a happy customer. For those curious types, Allen Samuels DCJ - Waco TX.
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