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Re: Banks Tuner Released!

Looks like XDP has it on their site.

Banks Power 66526 Bullet Tuner

Somebody get this and give a report.

I am tempted, but don't necessarily want to be the guinea pig.

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Re: Banks Tuner Released!

Hmm, interesting. Is this just a splice in signal interceptor like the Bluespark etc? The numbers seem to be quite a bit lower. Also, according to the dyno there isn't any HP/TQ benefit until 2800-3000 RPM.
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Re: Banks Tuner Released!

I don't mind paying for any repairs caused by my modifications. The issue arises when something breaks that's unrelated to my tuner and the manufacturer is looking for a way to reduce their warranty costs to my detriment. Which is why I'll eventually get a tuner and airbox and I'll remove them when I go in for service.

PS. I'm not a Banks guy but am interested in the other option posted recently.
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Re: Banks Tuner Released!

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Are the log files kept on the hard drive for a certain amount of time or "incidences" or is the data kept infinitely? Thanks in advance.

I'm not positive on how long files are kept on ECU. I do have a friend who is a GM diesel tech though and says they will read Torque readings on the TCM not ECU to find if duramax have been modded. Not against mods just some info if it helps.


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Re: Banks Tuner Released!

Here's something you need to understand with warranty and 'mods'; I worked as a journeymen at a dealership ASE master etc, the denial of warranty is matter of opinion. Technicians are held highly accountable for mis diagnosis or comebacks. So when Tommy puts his cold air intake on and the MAF is leaking like sive cause he bought the eBay knockoff air leaks at every connection, then wants to have his check engine light looked at for free "warranty" and hopefully I find all the air leaks and find the MAF was installed backwards or pins were smashed in the connector, because if I commit to a fix, as a technician you're married to that car, it comes back then you're working on it for free as in no book time, and could be written up. So get lost no warranty. reinstall stock intake please.

So yes if you reinstall everything to factory settings at least the guy in the service lane has a chance to identify and fix a problem to meet the factory specs and have confidence in the repair.

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Re: Banks Tuner Released!

The Banks Bullet would be an easy power adder. I'd almost want to drive a GC with a bullet and one with an ECU remap like GDE first. I'm interested in seeing if the distance between regens in the city is affected with the Banks Bullet.
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Re: Banks Tuner Released!

Tune if you want. Add all the HP you can. But accept the risk. Don't be a wussy and try to hide it from the dealer and Jeep. Man up and admit that a tuner was installed if something goes wrong. If you are honest, and the failure was not caused by the tuner, they will work with you on it.
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GDE v Banks...

I don't want to say don't get the banks - they make great exhausts, intakes and other diesel power mods, but I don't see this tune as something I'd want to put on my Ecodiesel.

Reason being is I'm a former GDE user so have used this tune before on my '07 WK CRD and that tune was phenomenal as it made improvements not only to power, but to mpg, reliability, emissions, driveability, and so on. What I noticed immediately, power, fuel efficiency, driveability and increased reliability as the GDE tune mitigated issues with the EGR, DPF regen, it got rid of fuel injection pulses OEMs put into the mix to quiet the engine down but did not do anything for power, DBW throttle response (gets rid of delay), allowed for 2 pedal driving so you can spool up turbo with the brake on for immediate power), got rid of OEM torque limit in 1st / 2nd gears and bypassed a well known swirl motor defect.

Like Diablo, and what looks like Banks - they are a piggyback style fuel management program made to maximize power, not MPG and most importantly doesn't do anything to limit it's downstream affect to the emissions equipment on our vehicles which we all know here is so sensitive. Dump more fuel then the emissions systems has to cope somehow and I see it as creating more dealer visits. Problems that can easily crop up more often include increase in soot into the system that affect the emissions systems downstream (DPF, EGR, SCR problems).

OTOH, GDE is a custom ECU tune (reflash of ECU and not just altering fuel maps) specific for your vehicle's parameters that takes into account your driving style, modifications, etc. As with the WK tune they also take into account issues with the platform and create safe workarounds to increase reliability.

The GDE process is simple. It normally takes 24-48 hours from when you get the programmer (you keep the programmer as well). 1) you get the programmer in the mail and plug it into the OBD port (no running of wires) so it can download the stock ecu bin. 2) you email the bin file to GDE. 3) GDE reads it and customizes the parameters based on your input (DPF delete was an older option - Eco or Hot tunes) and GDE builds in safety parameters for emissions systems and codes in other improvements besides fuel mapping alone (with my old WK they removed the 1st gear torque limitation so you could literally do a 4 wheel burnout as the WK had the SRT8 transmission). 4) GDE emails the tune back to you. 5) You load it to your ride in 5 mins and it's ready. Go for several drives as the ECU learns for the next day and it gets better and better.

Gotta take the WK2 to the dealer?: Reconnect the programmer and swap back to normal tune. That's it - you are done and ready to roll. No signs of aftermarket tuning or installation (no wires to remove / splices or cuts to hide).

Dealer does reflash of ECU?: Simple plug the programmer back in and download the new bin. Send it to GDE and have a new tune w/in 24 hours to reload.

GDE became the go to tune for the WK, Sprinter and Liberty diesels. I see it again being the go to for the Ecodiesel as well.
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Re: Banks Tuner Released!

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Tune if you want. Add all the HP you can. But accept the risk. Don't be a wussy and try to hide it from the dealer and Jeep. Man up and admit that a tuner was installed if something goes wrong. If you are honest, and the failure was not caused by the tuner, they will work with you on it.
Here is the issue. We are not talking blown head gaskets and transmissions like we were 15 years ago. 99% of the failures with these engines are related to the emissions equipment, which the GDE tune makes much less likely to fail. And these maufactures lose their asses on this stuff and frankly are looking for a way out. I've never opened the hood on my '14 GC at 8K miles and I just had my second service visit. This one came with an 8 day car rental. The tech tore the entire vehicle apart for days on end and he drove it 190 miles. So this warranty repair just cost the warranty department several thousand dollars. They are looking for any way to not have to pay for this stuff, that's the nature of any publicly traded company that is beholden to stockholders. You could add in that past experience has taught them that bad programming indeed can hurt an engine. So they have taken the blanket approach that if it's ever touched they aren't paying for anything, even when the powerplant has well known defects (i.e. Ford 6.0 PowerStroke).

If I bought a tune, I would try to hide it because I KNOW that when the emissions equipment had a failure for the umpteenth time that is would be in spite of the GDE tuning, not because of.

If I blew a transmission, while doing 4x4 launches (something I'd never do) I'd have a different take on it. The reality is that the increased cylinder pressures and driveline stress that a tune can deliver, 99.99% of the time it is below the max values that the manufacturer designed in to the product anyways. Since 99.99% of the time you are operating below the max strain of even the OEM programming.

PS. I'd never buy Banks.
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If I bought a tune, I would try to hide it because I KNOW that when the emissions equipment had a failure for the umpteenth time that is would be in spite of the GDE tuning, not because of.
Well put, Suns_PSD. I was pondering how unreasonable and unethical it is for people to allege that simply because one has tweaked their vehicle that all warranties should forever be void (or be subject to whatever the dealer deigns to allow). Insightful people know that the OEM looks for any reason to void the warranty. Even though the burden of proof legally rests on the OEM to establish that vehicle mods caused the issue, we all know how easy it is to obtain justice in that regard against a multibillion dollar company.

I would hide a tune because I know FCA and dealers would try to allege that even the P20EE issue was caused by the tune. Or that the oil leaking down the front of my stock, untuned engine (as I currently am experiencing) was due to a tune, if they thought they could get away with it. Or you name it... even though ironically it appears that the GDE tune will save the engine from the level of soot buildup that would accumulate if it were stock.

(It would be amusing if someday someone were accused of having tuned their EcoDiesel because the dealer tech discovered far less EGR soot than would have built up normally. "How dare you increase the longevity of the engine! VOID!")

It's not our responsibility to assist FCA and the dealers in trying to find a rationalization to void our warranties, and I, for one, am getting sick of reading posts from people who are white-knighting their own "unique" moral perspective that absurdly favors FCA and the dealers rather than what is right.
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Re: Banks Tuner Released!

Well this has been an amusing read. Can we get back to topic?

I wouldn't mind a Bullet until I can see if my VW tuner can tune the Jeep 3.0, however, I'll be dammed if I'm going to stick that puck on the side of my steering column or in a ghetto gage pod on my A-pillar. Anybody mount one of these inside the glove box so it's out of site, out of mind?
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Re: GDE v Banks...

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I don't want to say don't get the banks - they make great exhausts, intakes and other diesel power mods, but I don't see this tune as something I'd want to put on my Ecodiesel.

Reason being is I'm a former GDE user so have used this tune before on my '07 WK CRD and that tune was phenomenal as it made improvements not only to power, but to mpg, reliability, emissions, driveability, and so on. What I noticed immediately, power, fuel efficiency, driveability and increased reliability as the GDE tune mitigated issues with the EGR, DPF regen, it got rid of fuel injection pulses OEMs put into the mix to quiet the engine down but did not do anything for power, DBW throttle response (gets rid of delay), allowed for 2 pedal driving so you can spool up turbo with the brake on for immediate power), got rid of OEM torque limit in 1st / 2nd gears and bypassed a well known swirl motor defect.

Like Diablo, and what looks like Banks - they are a piggyback style fuel management program made to maximize power, not MPG and most importantly doesn't do anything to limit it's downstream affect to the emissions equipment on our vehicles which we all know here is so sensitive. Dump more fuel then the emissions systems has to cope somehow and I see it as creating more dealer visits. Problems that can easily crop up more often include increase in soot into the system that affect the emissions systems downstream (DPF, EGR, SCR problems).

OTOH, GDE is a custom ECU tune (reflash of ECU and not just altering fuel maps) specific for your vehicle's parameters that takes into account your driving style, modifications, etc. As with the WK tune they also take into account issues with the platform and create safe workarounds to increase reliability.

The GDE process is simple. It normally takes 24-48 hours from when you get the programmer (you keep the programmer as well). 1) you get the programmer in the mail and plug it into the OBD port (no running of wires) so it can download the stock ecu bin. 2) you email the bin file to GDE. 3) GDE reads it and customizes the parameters based on your input (DPF delete was an older option - Eco or Hot tunes) and GDE builds in safety parameters for emissions systems and codes in other improvements besides fuel mapping alone (with my old WK they removed the 1st gear torque limitation so you could literally do a 4 wheel burnout as the WK had the SRT8 transmission). 4) GDE emails the tune back to you. 5) You load it to your ride in 5 mins and it's ready. Go for several drives as the ECU learns for the next day and it gets better and better.

Gotta take the WK2 to the dealer?: Reconnect the programmer and swap back to normal tune. That's it - you are done and ready to roll. No signs of aftermarket tuning or installation (no wires to remove / splices or cuts to hide).

Dealer does reflash of ECU?: Simple plug the programmer back in and download the new bin. Send it to GDE and have a new tune w/in 24 hours to reload.

GDE became the go to tune for the WK, Sprinter and Liberty diesels. I see it again being the go to for the Ecodiesel as well.
Do you have more info on where you can order this GDE Tune you are talking about? I want to take all options into consideration.
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