Check your air filter - Page 11 - Jeep Garage - Jeep Forum

Go Back   Jeep Garage - Jeep Forum > Jeep Platform Discussion > Grand Cherokee - WK2 - > 2014+ Jeep Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel 3.0

Join Jeep Garage Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
  #121  
Old 05-18-2015, 05:32 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,336
Thanks: 49
Thanked 169 Times in 135 Posts
Rep Power: 2966
Roadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Check your air filter

Quote:
Originally Posted by akinney View Post
aFe says the dry is 99.2% efficient
Per their catalog, aFe says the dry filter is 99% efficient at filtering "course" dust, which they then proceed never to define. What's coarse? Pebble sized?

Quote:
and the Pro Guard 7 (oiled) is 99.7% efficient.
It's 99.5% at filtering "course" dust (undefined) but only 98.5% at filtering "fine" dust (undefined too). But since this is an oiled filter, we have to expect that the aFe dry filter is letting through far more than that.

Quote:
I had some very fine dust make it past the aFe, but that's because I had the "dry" version and drove in lots of fine dust (gravel roads)
Not really surprising given that they didn't even want to give specs on the amount of "fine" dust it lets through.

In fact, aFe is really short on meaningful specs of any kind.

I'm angsty because I want a good filter to protect my engine. The OEM filter is shit, but aFe seems to be blowing smoke about the level of protection their filters provide. However, I am using the shitty OEM filter because I know at least that won't void my warranty if the damn engine gets dusted.

I'd pay good money for a good filter.

Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #122  
Old 05-19-2015, 02:24 AM
akinney's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2015 3.0L WK2
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: College Place, WA, USA
Posts: 293
Thanks: 96
Thanked 80 Times in 57 Posts
Rep Power: 16738
akinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond repute
Garage
Re: Check your air filter

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadkill View Post
Per their catalog, aFe says the dry filter is 99% efficient at filtering "course" dust, which they then proceed never to define. What's coarse? Pebble sized?


It's 99.5% at filtering "course" dust (undefined) but only 98.5% at filtering "fine" dust (undefined too). But since this is an oiled filter, we have to expect that the aFe dry filter is letting through far more than that.


Not really surprising given that they didn't even want to give specs on the amount of "fine" dust it lets through.

In fact, aFe is really short on meaningful specs of any kind.

I'm angsty because I want a good filter to protect my engine. The OEM filter is shit, but aFe seems to be blowing smoke about the level of protection their filters provide. However, I am using the shitty OEM filter because I know at least that won't void my warranty if the damn engine gets dusted.

I'd pay good money for a good filter.

I was reading the specs here: Performance Air Filters

Where were you reading your specs? [edit: never mind. I see you referenced their catalog.]

I agree that there needs to be better filter options. I've decided, however, that for my vehicle, I don't want to risk the filter failing in an uncontrolled mode. Pick your shade of evil.
__________________
Deep Cherry Red 2015 JGC Ltd EcoDiesel with Beige Interior / ORA II / Lux II / 8.4AN
Mods: DEF injector guard | Mopar splash guards | Green Hornet fuel cap | Fumoto F-106 oil drain valve | aFe Pro Guard 7 engine air filter | Mopar molded running boards | Mopar roof rack cross bars | Mopar rear cargo net | Mopar rear cargo liner | Husky X-Act Contour floor liners | Mopar "Rugged Off-Road" Black & Machined 18x8 wheels
Reply With Quote
  #123  
Old 05-19-2015, 06:43 AM
67HR's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2014 3.0L WK2
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Albany Western Australia
Posts: 331
Thanks: 156
Thanked 49 Times in 46 Posts
Rep Power: 1168
67HR is on a distinguished road
Re: Check your air filter

There shouldn't be an issue fitting A/M filters like RYCO to our vehicles,

Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association

What we have known for a long time:
Quote:
The Genuine Parts Myth
Stuart Charity said the aftermarket industry will tackle head on the issue of the origin of parts. “Our commitment is to ensure full transparency and to assist our customers in fitting the most appropriate parts for their vehicle,” he said.

The term ‘genuine parts’ is a marketing slogan created by the car companies. Generally the vehicle manufacturers do not make replacement parts. These parts are usually manufactured by third party component suppliers with a car company brand on the box.
Happens in all facets of the industry.
__________________
Other Rides:
1967 Holden HR Ute (second owner)
2012 Gen5 Subaru Liberty Sports Premium
Classified R.E.D. (Retired & Extremely Disinterested)
Reply With Quote
  #124  
Old 05-22-2015, 07:31 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,336
Thanks: 49
Thanked 169 Times in 135 Posts
Rep Power: 2966
Roadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond reputeRoadkill has a reputation beyond repute
Just checked my OEM fail filter (the first replacement) this morning after 12 months and 10k miles.

No gasket tears, unlike the unit from the factory.

I'll keep using the Mopar filter model if they continue lasting 12+ months like this one.
Reply With Quote
  #125  
Old 05-27-2015, 11:07 AM
Member
My Jeep: 2014 3.0L WK2
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Austin
Posts: 94
Thanks: 2
Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts
Rep Power: 875
Suns_PSD is on a distinguished road
Re: Check your air filter

Quote:
Originally Posted by KONE-DAWG View Post
Waiting for aFe to release their Momentum series CAI for Jeep Eco Diesel with the pro7 filter
They have the Momentum CAI for the Ram ED
Not expecting any performance gains but will be adding other mods that may benefit from enhanced CAI
I too am awaiting this unit to be for sale. The only thing that concerns me is that I have been told that the OEM filter only measured 1.1 psi of restriction at full throttle/ rpm. I don't know if this info was pulled from the OEM computer or what but the person that told me is a good programmer and knows what he is talking about.

I'm interested in good filtration but also the quicker rev up that I have experienced with other aftermarket airfilters I have installed in other vehicles. It's a $600 airbox after all so I'd like some sizzle with that steak.
Reply With Quote
  #126  
Old 06-04-2015, 01:15 PM
Member
My Jeep: 2015 3.0L WK2
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 49
Thanks: 38
Thanked 14 Times in 7 Posts
Rep Power: 14336
Bluegrass Picker has a reputation beyond reputeBluegrass Picker has a reputation beyond reputeBluegrass Picker has a reputation beyond reputeBluegrass Picker has a reputation beyond reputeBluegrass Picker has a reputation beyond reputeBluegrass Picker has a reputation beyond reputeBluegrass Picker has a reputation beyond reputeBluegrass Picker has a reputation beyond reputeBluegrass Picker has a reputation beyond reputeBluegrass Picker has a reputation beyond reputeBluegrass Picker has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Check your air filter

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluegrass Picker View Post
Just checked my air filter on my 2015 GC Eco. w/ 275 miles.

Cracked around all four sides, not yet penetrated however. I'm going to throw a Fram in since it's all I can find locally in stock and then I'll order something better for the next replacement.

Not good. Makes me wonder about the rest of the OEM parts..........
After finding my filter torn on my new GC 3.0 and having it replaced by the dealer, I decided to do some research on a replacement and I'm posting the results here in case anyone is interested.

The Fram did not fit, I expect it was for the RAM.

I'm not comfortable with the oiled gauze filters, even the 7 layer ones, thinking that heavy equipment and trucks all use paper elements.

There are no manufacturers that I could find who make the paper filter for the 3.0 except for Baldwin, and I looked high and low for another manufacturer. If there's one out there, I couldn't find it.

Baldwin part is PA4483. No one in my area of the NW USA carried that filter in stock, and I tried many online Baldwin sales outlets with no success. I called Baldwin and they don't sell direct, so I checked the dealer locator section of their website, and a local auto parts store, Baxter Auto Parts is a Baldwin dealer. However that part is not carried there, so they had to order one direct from Baldwin. $25 delivered to the store.

I received the filter today, and upon examination it is very similar to the OEM, but different in that the paper elements are more white and it says Baldwin PA4483 and the usual "made in China". The orange rubber seems similar to OEM, but slightly more dense possibly.

I installed the filter and noted that if I set the top of the filter housing down on the filter and then tried to slide in the three tabs, it tended to grab the orange rubber and pull it while sliding. I firmly lifted the top above the orange and held it up while sliding in the tabs. That might be the cause of the tearing of the rubber as opposed to faulty manufacturing, but in any case I'll stick with the Baldwin. The fit was a perfect replacement of the OEM.

The Baxter regional rep told me that they will be stocking the PA4483 in most of their stores from now on after I explained the situation. If they're not in stock, they can be ordered and any Baldwin authorized dealer can do so also. Baxter is a NW USA based chain that is expanding into more western states.

http://catalog.baldwinfilter.com/Par...tnumber=PA4483

Bluegrass Picker
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Bluegrass Picker For This Useful Post:
  #127  
Old 06-04-2015, 06:36 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 129
Thanks: 5
Thanked 24 Times in 24 Posts
Rep Power: 1047
hayasa is on a distinguished road
Re: Check your air filter

That is interesting since that filter looks exactly like the stock filter. You might be a good tester to determine if the problem is with the Jeep OEM supplier or with some design issue inherent to the air box shaking the filters apart. Please keep checking on your "experiment" and report back. THANKS!!!
Reply With Quote
  #128  
Old 06-05-2015, 04:46 PM
Member
My Jeep: 2014 3.0L WK2
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 392
Thanks: 33
Thanked 53 Times in 45 Posts
Rep Power: 25577
Stbentoak has a reputation beyond reputeStbentoak has a reputation beyond reputeStbentoak has a reputation beyond reputeStbentoak has a reputation beyond reputeStbentoak has a reputation beyond reputeStbentoak has a reputation beyond reputeStbentoak has a reputation beyond reputeStbentoak has a reputation beyond reputeStbentoak has a reputation beyond reputeStbentoak has a reputation beyond reputeStbentoak has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Check your air filter

After 18 k miles my filter developed foam deterioration and it split apart. Dealer says if it was 12K or less they would warranty it but since they recommend replacing every 12 K they would not warranty.... What say you?

Make sense?

Other wise 38.00 for a new one....
__________________
2014 JGC Summit CRD with rear seat ent. DOM's Plate. Pirelli Scorp Verde Plus tires. Otherwise bone stock...
2004 RAM 2500 Quad Cab Cummins... Owned since new. No Cat or SCR..

On its way: 2018 Jaguar 20D Diesel F-Pace R sport for wifey...
Reply With Quote
  #129  
Old 06-05-2015, 04:56 PM
Plik's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 152
Thanks: 15
Thanked 32 Times in 21 Posts
Rep Power: 1097
Plik is on a distinguished road
Garage
Re: Check your air filter

They lied.. Its every 30k miles per the manual.
__________________

2015 JGC Overland Diesel 4X4 + QDII + GDE Hot Tune
Reply With Quote
  #130  
Old 06-09-2015, 05:30 PM
Zybane's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2014 3.0L WK2
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Washington D.C.
Posts: 551
Thanks: 1
Thanked 54 Times in 37 Posts
Rep Power: 3082
Zybane has a reputation beyond reputeZybane has a reputation beyond reputeZybane has a reputation beyond reputeZybane has a reputation beyond reputeZybane has a reputation beyond reputeZybane has a reputation beyond reputeZybane has a reputation beyond reputeZybane has a reputation beyond reputeZybane has a reputation beyond reputeZybane has a reputation beyond reputeZybane has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Check your air filter

I have the AFE dry drop in. Any regular maintenance required? How long are they suppose to last? (I'm not in a dusty environment).
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #131  
Old 06-10-2015, 02:57 AM
akinney's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2015 3.0L WK2
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: College Place, WA, USA
Posts: 293
Thanks: 96
Thanked 80 Times in 57 Posts
Rep Power: 16738
akinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond reputeakinney has a reputation beyond repute
Garage
Re: Check your air filter

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zybane View Post
I have the AFE dry drop in. Any regular maintenance required? How long are they suppose to last? (I'm not in a dusty environment).
Check it at every oil change. Clean as needed. They say 30K miles between cleanings, but it is very dependent on the areas you drive. If following their 30K miles cleaning cycle, it would probably last 120K miles if you're careful, maybe more.
__________________
Deep Cherry Red 2015 JGC Ltd EcoDiesel with Beige Interior / ORA II / Lux II / 8.4AN
Mods: DEF injector guard | Mopar splash guards | Green Hornet fuel cap | Fumoto F-106 oil drain valve | aFe Pro Guard 7 engine air filter | Mopar molded running boards | Mopar roof rack cross bars | Mopar rear cargo net | Mopar rear cargo liner | Husky X-Act Contour floor liners | Mopar "Rugged Off-Road" Black & Machined 18x8 wheels
Reply With Quote
  #132  
Old 06-10-2015, 05:59 AM
Member
My Jeep: 1984 4.2L CJ
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 97
Thanks: 8
Thanked 13 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 983
CJ8Rockcrawler is on a distinguished road
Re: Check your air filter

Grainger carries the Baldwin filter as well. My local Grainger needs to order in as well. It is listed as $24.71 on their website.
__________________
2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited EcoDiesel
1984 Jeep $crambler
2004 Dodge Ram Quad Cab 4x4 6spd Diesel 305/555
2010 Ford Flex Ecoboost
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mopar Performance Cold Air Kit Replacement Air Filter Laredo2006 Engine Performance/Intake/Exhaust 1 08-20-2012 06:20 AM
[PICS]V6 engine air filter + cabin air filter RageOfFury Tech Tips/DIY/How To 34 04-26-2012 09:50 PM
Can you wash/reuse the stock air filter in the I6 Air Box Assembly? Amelie Engine Performance/Intake/Exhaust 21 06-12-2011 08:26 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:07 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 - JeepGarage.Org
The Jeep Grand Cherokee Owners Community

JeepGarage.org is in no way associated with or endorsed by FCA US LLC. Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, Mopar and SRT are registered trademarks of FCA US LLC.