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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

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I'm not debating which is better. But tune-ups on a gas engine, including the Hemi is not like the old days. Even the 16 plugs in the Hemi now only need to be changed every 100,000 miles.

I don't keep a car long enough to do anything but oil changes, so I'm glad we still have choices. And it is great that we are both happy with the choices we made.

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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

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The EPA estimate is 8 MPG advantage to the ecodiesel for highway mileage. The number of hemi drivers who get anywhere close to the EPA estimate is very small since you need a very light foot on the accelerator. Even when I tried with my 2008 CRD, I couldn't drop the mileage below 20 MPG when I normally averaged around 21 or 22 depending on traffic. For comparison, the ecodiesel averages around 26 MPG on the same commute. I've started driving with the eco mode off and the mileage today was just over 27 MPG. The last V8 we had a was 2002 Grand Cherokee with the 5.9 liter and I was lucky to get 14 MPG.

That 8 mpg estimate is between the Hemi and diesel. The epa estimate between the 6 and diesel is only four. I was leaning towards the six as imho it has more than enough power in my '12.
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

Many thanks to all those who responded to my original query. While it is evident that a diesel is much stronger, will last much longer, and has more torque, since I don't tow and generally trade my vehicle every couple of years, I see no reason to justify the additional $5,000 expense. For those touting the better gas mileage, when there is only a 4 mpg difference between the 6 and diesel, and a price per gallon difference of 80-90 cents for the diesel, simple math tells me that it's not worth the price no matter what spin you place on it.

Again, thank you for your input.
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

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They still recommend that you change the sixteen plugs at 30,000 miles.
That was updated to 100,000 miles a couple of owners manuals ago. See page 641 of the most current (version 7).


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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

If a diesel were available on a Laredo, I'd consider it but my '12 V6 has done everything I've asked of it and really do not want a sunroof or an extra 1,000 pounds.
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

JeepGrady,

Worth is just a matter of perspective mate and justification is in the eye of the beholder....

The simple fact that you needed to ask the question answers the question.

Enjoy your JGC, as we all enjoy our own rides, gas or diesel .


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Many thanks to all those who responded to my original query. While it is evident that a diesel is much stronger, will last much longer, and has more torque, since I don't tow and generally trade my vehicle every couple of years, I see no reason to justify the additional $5,000 expense. For those touting the better gas mileage, when there is only a 4 mpg difference between the 6 and diesel, and a price per gallon difference of 80-90 cents for the diesel, simple math tells me that it's not worth the price no matter what spin you place on it.

Again, thank you for your input.
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

If someone posts seeking to be "convinced" why to buy a diesel, then they should just be reassured that the gasser is the right decision for them.
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

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Many thanks to all those who responded to my original query. While it is evident that a diesel is much stronger, will last much longer, and has more torque, since I don't tow and generally trade my vehicle every couple of years, I see no reason to justify the additional $5,000 expense. For those touting the better gas mileage, when there is only a 4 mpg difference between the 6 and diesel, and a price per gallon difference of 80-90 cents for the diesel, simple math tells me that it's not worth the price no matter what spin you place on it.

Again, thank you for your input.
You will not see roi on your car and if that is your yardstick then its a done deal. You are however using the wrong numbers. Many people get EPA rated mileage with diesels without trying but cant come close with gas. This is true of me, I drive the way I want to drive and the mileage ends up being wherever it ends up. I have easily attained rated mileage with all my diesels but normally end up slightly below the rated city mileage for my combined total with my gassers. This is fair typical, I am not an outlier.

I would suggest you look at real numbers via a source that gets its numbers from the pump at fill up. You wont find your pentastar getting the EPA rated mileage in the real world for most owners. You will find the diesel doing it. Regardless with a trade every few years you cannot get roi compared to the Pentastar so it appears you are making a sound decision.
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

10. Torque, torque, torque
9. Turbo power - and lots of it
8. LESS annual maintenance costs
7. Better mpg
6. Towing
5. Engine will last longer
4. Better resale
3. The looks I get while fueling the Jeep
2. Torque, torque, torque (it needed to be said again)
1. Because I wanted it

It is a decision only you can make, but I do not know anyone who regrets getting their Ecodiesel.
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

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10. Torque, torque, torque
9. Turbo power - and lots of it
8. LESS annual maintenance costs
7. Better mpg
6. Towing
5. Engine will last longer
4. Better resale
3. The looks I get while fueling the Jeep
2. Torque, torque, torque (it needed to be said again)
1. Because I wanted it

It is a decision only you can make, but I do not know anyone who regrets getting their Ecodiesel.
Do you expect the retained value percentage to be higher, or just a matter of getting more for a more expensive car? I expect a Summit will have a higher resale value than my Overland, but don't see that as a real benefit.

I realize that this being the first year with this drivetrain in the US, everything will be a guess, but would like to hear what you think.


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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

I have always gotten close to the epa numbers on all of my vehicles. Assuming that's true, let's do the math.

With the six: Take the 25 gallon tank X $3.60, what I pay for regular= $90.00 to fill it up. Take the 25 X 24 which is the epa estimate= 600 miles per tank. $90.00 divided by 600 equals 15 cents per mile.

Now with the diesel: 25 X $4.45 which is the average cost where I live, + $111.25. 25 gallons X 28, the epa number= 700 miles per tank. $111.25 divided by 700 equals 16 cents per mile.

So as you can see, even though the diesel will get better mileage, in the end it's a wash. There is no financial gain fuel wise with the diesel.
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

You've got some expensive diesel! The delta close to me is about 30 cents. $3.55/$3.75/$3.85 for gas and $3.85 for diesel.

As always, fuel costs are so variable (driving habits that effect MPG, and your locality's fuel prices).
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