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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

I have 2 other cars - a SHO and a Corvette. Both "recommend" premium fuel.

Here, Premium is about ..05 - .10 MORE costly than diesel.
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

I think you would have to do some magic to get 24MPG with the gas engine in my part of the country where it is a little hilly. Measured at the pump while on winter fuel I have exceeded 28 MPG on every week where the temp was not down below 20 degrees all week. With warm weather and summer fuel I am sure that I will be over 30 MPG. On the flats in the winter my Son got 30 MPG and he is not easy on the pedal.

I am not convinced that maintenance is much less until you start hitting over 100K where the diesel is just finally breaking in.

But where the diesel really comes out ahead is if you consider the life of a diesel compared to a gas engine vehicle.

Things I especially like is the ability to easily accelerate even on the highway with only slightly more pressure on the pedal. No more pushing the pedal to the floor and hearing the engine sound like a blender on Hi yet a barely perceptible increase in speed and this gets worse when you try to do this on a long incline with a vehicle full of people.

Stop and go traffic in the summer. The diesel engine is so efficient that all the energy goes into moving your vehicle and not into making your engine hot. So the upside is that when it is hot and you get stuck in traffic you do not have to worry about your engine overheating even though you have the AC on. On the flip side if you get stuck in traffic and it is really cold out your engine temp is going to drop.

For me I love the torque and how a slight press on the pedal releases it.

If the OP lives where it is totally flat a lot of the benefits of diesel are not so noticeable but if you live where you are either going up or down gas vehicles just do not do it for me.

While everyone needs to do what they think is best I would suggest that he take one for a ride. 12 years ago I was looking for a car and by chance the salesman suggested I try the Jetta Diesel. I knew I was not interested but gave it a go and that was the end for me. I had a high mileage car that could not get out of its own way and still got significantly less than the Jetta got. I spent 286K in that vehicle and 86K in a newer Jetta before this became available. Even with Diesel it is right in line with a lot of the other SUV's that are comparably equipped so to me it is a no brainer. The newer Diesels are vastly more user friendly than the old ones and no matter what numbers you put in the spreadsheet the difference has to be pretty large to ever overcome how great it feels to drive a diesel engine.

And I think that if you find a vehicle that will have the same fuel cost per mile as a diesel you will not be very satisfied with how that vehicle performs in comparison.
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

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Diesel option is about 4005 bucks more if you are buying smart. Hemi is what 2600 more not sure what invoice is.
Fuel prices here are equal with high test. You mean to tell me you run regular with a Hemi? Uh huh.

You either get it with a diesel or not. If the JGC didn't have this diesel option I would have bought another Outback as the room inside is the same.

I bought the diesel for three reasons:
I keep my vehicles a long time 12 years or more
I like the 27.5 mpg I get my my diesel
I need the range of around 600 miles

Both places I live have diesel available at about 1 out of 3 stations so for me it isn't an issue. Never been to a truck stop with this diesel yet.

If you don't have need for the diesel regarding towing, range and fuel economy and are a person that trades or sells cars when they are 4-5 years old at 100K miles or less the diesel makes no sense.

I love the Hemi sound and power but the fuel mileage stinks. The 3.6 isn't a bad engine at all but it doesn't actually get up and go like either the diesel or the Hemi. If you can live with the 3.6L engine it isn't a bad way to go at all...
The Hemi recommend midgrade, and even notes that premium is not recommended.
The OM does note that regular can be used at some loss in performance.

The Hemi mileage isn't that much less than the V6 unless you regularly walk on high radiation ground and therefore wear lead shoes all the time.

I'd agree that if you live in fairly congested areas and rarely drive on western mountain freeways, with occasional tow, that the V6 is probably more suited for this, and will definitely keep up with traffic even out where the speed limit is 80--just not as effortlessly as the Hemi. It would fail the "I-70 Test" in my book, but so would a stock diesel without some love from Gale Banks...
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

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Add me to the list of "wanting one".

Now, if Jeep develops a new "Comanche pickup" with the 3.0 diesel, I am going to be in a real quandary!
A Cherokee Trailhawk Ecodiesel sounds much nicer to me.

The GC is very nice, but a slightly smaller vehicle would suit me and the missus fine for X-country trips, and if they were to leave the performance what it is in the GC and RAM, I would expect it to be a real barn burner--and possibly at my age the last vehicle I would ever buy with the longevity I'd expect.
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

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.....and develops max torque at only 2,000 rpm.
If you need to ask "why" you would want one, then get a hemi.
I'd honestly say 'try one'
I've got a chance to see how a '14 diesel handles I-70 soon, and may end up in the "me wants" category...
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I have always gotten close to the epa numbers on all of my vehicles. Assuming that's true, let's do the math.

With the six: Take the 25 gallon tank X $3.60, what I pay for regular= $90.00 to fill it up. Take the 25 X 24 which is the epa estimate= 600 miles per tank. $90.00 divided by 600 equals 15 cents per mile.

Now with the diesel: 25 X $4.45 which is the average cost where I live, + $111.25. 25 gallons X 28, the epa number= 700 miles per tank. $111.25 divided by 700 equals 16 cents per mile.

So as you can see, even though the diesel will get better mileage, in the end it's a wash. There is no financial gain fuel wise with the diesel.

There has already been calculations done by car and driver (I believe) and the break even point will occur around 35000 miles. After that, it is money in your pocket.

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Do you expect the retained value percentage to be higher, or just a matter of getting more for a more expensive car? I expect a Summit will have a higher resale value than my Overland, but don't see that as a real benefit.

I realize that this being the first year with this drivetrain in the US, everything will be a guess, but would like to hear what you think.


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The diesel will always have a higher resale over the gas, as the engine has a much longer lifespan. How much higher in resale is anybody's guess, but I got if for the towing and MPG. I am guessing the resale will recoup at least half of the cost of the upgrade, but that is only a guess.
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

[QUOTE=lstowell;994930]A Cherokee Trailhawk Ecodiesel sounds much nicer to me.


Hopefully, "THEY" are considering this. A cherokee trailhawk with the diesel = WOW. Fun, fun, fun.
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A Cherokee Trailhawk Ecodiesel sounds much nicer to me.

The GC is very nice, but a slightly smaller vehicle would suit me and the missus fine for X-country trips, and if they were to leave the performance what it is in the GC and RAM, I would expect it to be a real barn burner--and possibly at my age the last vehicle I would ever buy with the longevity I'd expect.
The 3.0 will likely never go in the Cherokee. The drive train is a Rear Wheel Drive configuration and the Cherokee is a Front Wheel Drive layout.

The Europeans probably got the diesel Cherokee. The new Renegade has a diesel option as well.
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The 3.0 will likely never go in the Cherokee. The drive train is a Rear Wheel Drive configuration and the Cherokee is a Front Wheel Drive layout. The Europeans probably got the diesel Cherokee. The new Renegade has a diesel option as well.
The European Cherokee comes with a 2.0 liter diesel of 170 or 140 hp.
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One factor not often mentioned in the comparison is the lack of lifetime warranty available on the diesel (I think that's still true right?) Having the extra protection from large repair bills was a big factor in my decision to go with the 3.6 instead of diesel. Not sure how you quantify insurance in a compare but depending on how things go it could be a big cost saver after 100k miles.
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To be fair, averaging all consumers, insurance and extended warranties are not a cost saver but a cost controller. Otherwise, the providers would go broke! You are agreeing to a fixed cost up front to cost average a potentially larger repair bill later. Its a good idea and I wish I had the option.

I have owned 7 diesel vehicles over the years with 3 of them still in my possession with over 200k on them. I've never had an issue I didn't fix myself...all minor stuff like dry rotted hoses and orings. I've also had 2 gas motors I had to replace. So far, I'm still sold on the reliability until I experience anything different.
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