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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

I was all set to buy an Acura MDX from a dealer 100 miles out of town; that is until I appeased the wife and went to the local Jeep dealer.

When I saw the GC exterior I still wanted the MDX. I went inside vehicle and the MDX stayed on my mind. Then I pressed the GC's start button, and to my surprise I heard the soft rumble of a diesel engine. I was sold on the diesel regardless of the higher cost, and placed an order immediately.
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

Excursiondiesel: the 3.0 is packaged by VM to be either longitudinally mounted...or transverse mounted. It is a small package. Use in a smaller platform would be as simple as swapping transmission for transaxle....
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All these comparisons between the 3.6 Gasser and the 3.0 Diesel would (incorrectly!) lead one to believe that gas mileage and price were the only differences between the two! Seriously, the 3.0 is a completely different engine. I drove the two back to back. The 3.6 on a hill vs the 3.0 on a hill is night and day. Around town, normal highway driving, the diesel is so much nicer to drive and generally quieter, since it doesn't have to rev to keep up speed. And that's not even mentioning the better towing abilities. Comparing the two on cost alone is REALLY missing the mark.

Try the two out when making your decision. There's WAAAAY more to it than the up front cost and the long (maybe very long) term savings when comparing the 3.0 to the 3.6. Do those differences matter? Depends on YOU, but you really can't compare the two using only your calculator! :-)
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The diesel will always have a higher resale over the gas, as the engine has a much longer lifespan. How much higher in resale is anybody's guess, but I got if for the towing and MPG. I am guessing the resale will recoup at least half of the cost of the upgrade, but that is only a guess.
This is the factor that is almost always overlooked, or at least downplayed by those who simply try to recoup the option premium with fuel savings. Although this is a new model we do have some some others that can confirm this. A used MB Bluetec is worth almost $5500 more than a comparable gas job.(Canadian Black Book) And in the HD pickup segment a used diesel will often fetch far more than the option price over a similar gas model in the used market. We know that fuel prices will be higher in 2 yrs, 5 yrs, or 10 yrs. Don't be surprised if the higher fuel prices and longer engine life down the road earn back a premium over a gas model in the used market that exceeds the option price. In that instance you will be saving money starting at mile 1.
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lol If it turns out that the value of the diesel is enough higher to pay for the extra 1305 dollars I paid for it just by the next model year it wouldn't be the first time it happened to me with a diesel. I get a laugh out of people trying to find every reason in the book not to buy a diesel. If you don't want it thats a good enough reason, there is no need to cherry pick numbers until you get the answer you want.
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Nicely stated, crabman!
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I don't understand why the diesel motor is the one and only option that must be justified by some ROI formula. No one ever talks about when leather seats will pay for themselves, or HID headlights, or the V8 option, or, heaven forbid, the SRT! Cars are not an investment, or if they are, they,re really bad ones. I work in the finance business and if we promised customers that we could turn $50,000 into $25,000 in only 3 short years we would go out of business. If you're really interested in ROI, then public transportation is probably your best bet. I paid more in California sales tax on my Overland than the diesel motor cost! If you're asking about ROI I believe you're asking the wrong question. However, if you asked, "Do you love the car? Was it worth the money? Would you do it again?" My answers would be yes, yes, and yes.

All that being said, I filled up at my local 76 Station in Pasadena, CA (overpriced state) earlier in the week and paid $4.09 for diesel. On that same day regular unleaded was $4.17 and premium was $4.37. Couldn't help but smile.
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I don't understand why the diesel motor is the one and only option that must be justified by some ROI formula. No one ever talks about when leather seats will pay for themselves, or HID headlights, or the V8 option, or, heaven forbid, the SRT! Cars are not an investment, or if they are, they,re really bad ones. I work in the finance business and if we promised customers that we could turn $50,000 into $25,000 in only 3 short years we would go out of business. If you're really interested in ROI, then public transportation is probably your best bet. I paid more in California sales tax on my Overland than the diesel motor cost! If you're asking about ROI I believe you're asking the wrong question. However, if you asked, "Do you love the car? Was it worth the money? Would you do it again?" My answers would be yes, yes, and yes.

All that being said, I filled up at my local 76 Station in Pasadena, CA (overpriced state) earlier in the week and paid $4.09 for diesel. On that same day regular unleaded was $4.17 and premium was $4.37. Couldn't help but smile.
Well Said. I just picked up a Limited EcoDiesel last week. The main selling point for me was the way the truck drove/rode compared to the hemi and the 3.6. I also work in finance and agree that if life is not always about the ROI. If a person wants a GC and it is too much of a stretch for the hemi or the Eco....the 3.6 works great and does the job.
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Re: Convince me as to why I want a diesel

I think most of you know this but I work in AK and am a licensed Master and Engineer for vessels of up to 1600 tons. I bring this up because I just brought my boat down to Seattle for shipyard and have been getting a lot of commentary on the jeep. Unlike the parking lot at the grocery store where people see your vehicle but never get to query you on it the parking lot at the shipyard has the same people coming over and over and pretty soon they figure out who owns what car. I imagine it to be something like a work lot at a larger corporation. I think where I'm going is I've never had so much interest in a car. An odd thing because I've shown up with some pretty cool hardware that costs several times more in the past without this much interest. People are curious about the diesel particularly, the car itself much less.

Where I'm going is that there is an interest that I have never seen before in diesel engine technology now and the more fundamental bottom line of whether it works without qualification on the road when compared to gasoline engines. I'm not sure myself where this leads but I cant help but feel like its a positive because I believe that interest will get butts in seats and I think (hope) diesel will take off in the US.
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Add me to the list of "wanting one".

Now, if Jeep develops a new "Comanche pickup" with the 3.0 diesel, I am going to be in a real quandary!
I am waiting for one too....
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I think most of you know this but I work in AK and am a licensed Master and Engineer for vessels of up to 1600 tons. I bring this up because I just brought my boat down to Seattle for shipyard and have been getting a lot of commentary on the jeep. Unlike the parking lot at the grocery store where people see your vehicle but never get to query you on it the parking lot at the shipyard has the same people coming over and over and pretty soon they figure out who owns what car. I imagine it to be something like a work lot at a larger corporation. I think where I'm going is I've never had so much interest in a car. An odd thing because I've shown up with some pretty cool hardware that costs several times more in the past without this much interest. People are curious about the diesel particularly, the car itself much less.

Where I'm going is that there is an interest that I have never seen before in diesel engine technology now and the more fundamental bottom line of whether it works without qualification on the road when compared to gasoline engines. I'm not sure myself where this leads but I cant help but feel like its a positive because I believe that interest will get butts in seats and I think (hope) diesel will take off in the US.
Now that diesels pass the "smell test" and the sound checks i believe that they will be more popular in larger heavier vehicles.
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