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Old 03-03-2014, 10:09 AM
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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

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At 1100 miles and my DEF gauge has done nothing. At this point I'm annoyed if only because I don't even know what the level is at and I don't want to go to the dealer because they usually only exasperate small problems.

Took a long road trip last week - @ 2000 miles the DEF finally moved. Now it looks like I'm at about 80% with 2300 miles on the jeep.
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:21 AM
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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

I have 1900 miles and mine has moved to about 90% full. River Oaks filled mine full and spilled a little which is understandable since it was rainy when I picked it up.
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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

My DEF level was at about 75% at delivery. I am now at 5,000 miles and am not so sure of my current level. The gauge jumped around the other day during a 600 mile drive. It was at about 45% then dropped rather suddenly to about 20%. It then drifted lower to about 15% over a couple hundred miles. Then it jumped back up to about 40%. Arriving at home, I see it has dropped down to about 20%. !@#$%^&*(@#$%!
I don't want to add any until I see what the level does in the future and to see if I get a warning message. I do have two gallons in jugs for when I need to add DEF.
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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

My dealer told me tonight in advance of delivery that they would not fill the DEF at delivery and that it has 2.5 gal in the tank.
but here's the kicker... they said DEF only has a 30 day shelf life and they say if you don't use it fast enough that it could go bad and you COULD have to have the DEF system cleaned at your expense if you are not using it fast enough to keep it fresh.. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? they DID say they would give me coupons for me to get two 2.50 GAL containers any time I wanted to add as the stock level goes down....
Does this stuff really go bad like that , especially in the summer?
Never heard of anything like that....
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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

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My dealer told me tonight in advance of delivery that they would not fill the DEF at delivery and that it has 2.5 gal in the tank.
but here's the kicker... they said DEF only has a 30 day shelf life and they say if you don't use it fast enough that it could go bad and you COULD have to have the DEF system cleaned at your expense if you are not using it fast enough to keep it fresh.. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? they DID say they would give me coupons for me to get two 2.50 GAL containers any time I wanted to add as the stock level goes down....
Does this stuff really go bad like that , especially in the summer?
Never heard of anything like that....
Sounds like dealer FUD to me.
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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

Diesel Exhaust Fluid Fill at PDI on 2014 Grand Cherokees (March 2014)

We are starting to see several cases on Grand Cherokee vehicles equipped with the 3.0L Diesel Engine where customers are coming back to the dealer with low mileage P203F and P241D DTC’s due to low DEF. DTC P203F indicates that the DEF fluid level is too low. Grand Cherokees are equipped with an Electronic Vehicle Information Center that will notify the driver when the DEF starts to get low. The driver warning and inducement strategy for a low fluid condition is as follows:

- The first warning will occur when the tank level is at approximately 2.5 - 3 gallons. The customer will hear a chime and get an EVIC message reading "LOW DEF REFILL SOON".

- The second warning level will occur when the tank level is at approximately two gallons. The customer will hear a chime and get an EVIC message reading "REFILL DEF ENGINE WILL NOT RESTART IN XXX MILES".

- If the message is ignored until the tank is empty, the vehicle will not start. The customer will hear a chime and get an EVIC message reading "REFILL DEF ENGINE WILL NOT START". DTC P241D “SCR INDUCEMENT - FORCED ENGINE SHUTDOWN“ will set anytime the SCR inducement does not function as designed including when the DEF runs too low. If the reading "REFILL DEF ENGINE WILL NOT START" message is set, the vehicle will not start until a minimum of two gallons of approved Diesel Exhaust Fluid is added to the tank.

Vehicles are shipped from the assembly plant with approximately 3 gallons of DEF in the DEF tank. This is done to ensure the vehicle will start and run properly while the vehicle is being moved around the dealership prior to retail delivery but not too full to cause concerns during transportation from the assembly plant to the dealership.

The vehicle SHOULD NOT be delivered to the owner until the DEF tank has been completely filled.

As indicated on the “New Vehicle Preparation Form,” dealers are requested to fill the DEF tank just prior to delivering the vehicle to the owner.

Labor Operation 25-08-01-40 can be used to reimburse dealers for this DEF fill. This Labor Operation can only be used prior to retail delivery and is not intended to be used for any warranty repair.
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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

DEF has a shelf life of 2-3 years before crystallization occurs. I keep it in bulk and have never had an issue.


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Old 04-22-2014, 10:46 AM
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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

DEF shelf life -

Average daily temperature - Shelf life in months
Less than 50 F - 36 months
Less than 77 F - 18 months
Less than 86 F - 12 months
Less than 95 F - 6 months
Greater than 104 F - 2 months

For example: In 2009 the two hottest months in Phoenix Arizona were July and August. The average temperature for both months was 95 F (35 C), according to the data from the National Weather Service. The average daily temperatures for these months ranged from 104 F (40 C) to 85 F (29 C), while for
some days daily highs reached115 F (46 C). For areas that see these average temperatures DEF shelf life would be 6 months.
If you live in the extreme southern US, I would not top off the DEF in the summer months, but everywhere else, it should be no problem running with a full DEF tank.
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What do you call extreme south?


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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

So DEF stored in underground tanks should keep DEF at a fairly constant 65°F even in the extreme South. That's another good reason to buy from a high usage pump at a truck stop.
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I usually buy 4 to 5 330 gal totes at a time. I'll go through a tote every month to month and a half.


.....would have been my reaction if that would be the DEF-consumption of one single Jeep..

Thankfully, I kept on reading...
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