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Old 04-23-2014, 12:04 AM
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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

But back to DEF-consumption: I thought that we, the consumer, wouldn't be dealing with this issue that often since it's supposed to last for 10,000 miles and would be re-filled during scheduled maintenance visits?!

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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

They forgot to include the caveat "YDMMV" (your DEF mileage may vary)
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They forgot to include the caveat "YDMMV" (your DEF mileage may vary)
Yeah - that's probably it...
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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

I never received any messages about low DEF. When the EVIC indicates 10% remaining, which was at 8,400 miles, I added two 2.5 gal containers. It then read 75% remaining.


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Old 04-23-2014, 10:16 PM
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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

Just filled DEF tank up today. My guage was on the last 1/4 indicator with no messages. Pulled up to the pump, swiped my card, and pumped 6.5 gallons @2.80/Gal. No fuss or spillage.
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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

I first tried to buy at a truck stop, but the attendant was so rude as I tried to prepay for the purchase, I decided to leave. The truckers get VERY irritated when they catch a four-wheeler in one of their lanes. I may try again next time.


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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

Most of the truckers dig the fact that your driving a diesel. Don't sweat it. I think the hold up for prepaying might be an issue. Try a pump that accepts credit cards if you can. I was in and out in 3 minutes.
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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

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I first tried to buy at a truck stop, but the attendant was so rude as I tried to prepay for the purchase, I decided to leave. The truckers get VERY irritated when they catch a four-wheeler in one of their lanes. I may try again next time.
When DEF amount falls under 1/4 gauge, the gauge line turns red. I chose this as my mark to schedule a visit to the pump within the next few days. I then fill exactly 5 gallons which brings me to above 3/4. This way I can easily prepay and never over-fill. The only flying J around here does not accept CC at the pump. I picked up Saturday afternoon for the best time to fill DEF. The truck stop is less busy than the usual, and the attendants can activate you quickly. I picked up the lane closest to the attendant so I can be in and out quickly. Took me about 5 minutes from pulling in to out.
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When DEF amount falls under 1/4 gauge, the gauge line turns red.
Really? I am at about 20%. No messages, no red.
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Really? I am at about 20%. No messages, no red.
I ran mine low on purpose. I was trying to invoke an EVIC message to see what it says. The segmented gauge went all the way to no segments lit and still no EVIC message. I don't recall if the guage line turned red. I got nervous and went ahead and filled up.
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Diesel Exhaust Fluid Fill at PDI on 2014 Grand Cherokees (March 2014)

Grand Cherokees are equipped with an Electronic Vehicle Information Center that will notify the driver when the DEF starts to get low. The driver warning and inducement strategy for a low fluid condition is as follows:

- The first warning will occur when the tank level is at approximately 2.5 - 3 gallons. The customer will hear a chime and get an EVIC message reading "LOW DEF REFILL SOON".

- The second warning level will occur when the tank level is at approximately two gallons. The customer will hear a chime and get an EVIC message reading "REFILL DEF ENGINE WILL NOT RESTART IN XXX MILES".
Milous, the DEF amounts quoted in the PDI do not match my experience, nor do they make sense, nor do they match the diesel supplement. Below is the DEF level information copied from the diesel supplement.

As it says, if the first warning is at 500 miles, that should be about 0.4 gallons (500mi/10000mi*8gal) not 2.5 to 3 gal. Conversely, 2.5 gal should be over 3,000 mi which is rather early for a warning. The second warning is at 200 miles, which is 0.16 gal not 2 gal.

Looking at it another way, if we were using DEF at a rate of 2.5 gal per 500 mi, then we would use 50 gal every 10,000 mi, not 8 gal as spec'ed.
• Engine Will Not Restart in XXXX mi DEF Low Refill
Soon – This message will display when DEF driving
range is less than 500 miles, DEF fluid top off is
required with in the displayed mileage. The message
will be displayed in the EVIC during vehicle start up
with the current allowed mileage and accompanied by
a single chime. The remaining mileage can be pulled
up anytime by way of the “Messages” list within the
EVIC
• Engine Will Not Restart in XXXX mi Refill DEF –
This message will display when DEF driving range is
less than 200 miles. It is also displayed at 150 miles and
100 miles. DEF fluid top off is required with in the
displayed mileage. The message will be displayed in
the EVIC during vehicle start up with an updated
distance mileage, and it will be accompanied by a
single chime. Stating at 100 miles, remaining range will
be continuously displayed while operating the vehicle.
Chimes will also accompany the 75, 50 and 25 mile
remaining distances. The DEF Low telltale will be on
continuously until DEF fluid is topped off.
• Engine Will Not Restart Refill DEF – This message
will display when the DEF driving range is less than
1 mile, DEF fluid top off is required or the engine will
not restart. The message will be displayed in the EVIC
during vehicle start up, and it will be accompanied by
a single chime. The DEF Low telltale will be illuminated
continuously until DEF fluid tank is filled with a
minimum of two gallons of DEF.
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Re: DEF Level at Delivery

I informed the dealer I bought it from who didn't fill it up so they said bring it to a local dealer to get fluid and send them the bill. It seems they were not told to do this so a lot of them missed it. I sent the TSB to them as well so they know in the future. I bought two 2.5 gallon and put on in and it filled it almost all the way up so I have a spare. I am keeping it in my basement on the floor which should keep temps low so its shelf life is longer.
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