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Old 03-29-2015, 10:15 AM
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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

You know you can switch off or modify most of those functions like active braking etc in the EVIC right?

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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

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You know you can switch off or modify most of those functions like active braking etc in the EVIC right?
Sure. The only vehicle in a 4 state area that had everything else I wanted came with the ACC, etc. After having tried to use it, just saying I wouldn't get it again if I had a choice.

Also, I would never draft another vehicle for the sake of drafting or stay on another driver's tail for a lengthy period of time. Last fall I drove from NJ to FL and back, and then from NJ to Washington State to NM. One of the most irritating parts of the trip was when other drivers sat on my tail when traffic conditions didn't warrant it.
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Old 03-30-2015, 10:05 AM
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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

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2. Given Jeeps relatively new exposure to the U.S. Diesel market, what made you decide on the GC Eco-diesel vs Brand X (my close second is the VW Touareg TDI due to projected resale value retention http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/jeep/gr...okee-vs-rivals)?
I very much like the interior on the touareg, but it would have been around 15k more for the same features, minus the offroad goodies on the jeep :/

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Also, I would never draft another vehicle for the sake of drafting or stay on another driver's tail for a lengthy period of time. Last fall I drove from NJ to FL and back, and then from NJ to Washington State to NM. One of the most irritating parts of the trip was when other drivers sat on my tail when traffic conditions didn't warrant it.
ACC at max distance setting is well beyond what I'd consider unsafe tailgating distance. In fact, I find myself decreasing the follow distance because its equally as annoying when people merge into my lane with only inches to spare.

Also, set your brake-assist to "near" instead of "far", that will prevent it from randomly cutting on during certain turns, etc.
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ACC at max distance setting is well beyond what I'd consider unsafe tailgating distance. In fact, I find myself decreasing the follow distance because its equally as annoying when people merge into my lane with only inches to spare.
QFT. Also, I'm guessing ACC haters haven't spent much time driving long distances on undivided two lane highways. All too often there is too much traffic in the oncoming lane to pass, and the drivers in front of you can't seem to keep their speed constant. So, it's either "drive manually for hours while you're trapped in a pack", "perform dangerous, white knuckle, illegal-in-many-states chain passing while oncoming traffic flashes their headlights at you and swerves", or ACC.

Nothing beats a wide open road with no other traffic, but ACC dramatically reduces the stress level of driving in traffic. I recognize not every feature is something everyone wants (*cough*QuadraLift*cough*), but as for me I will never own another vehicle without ACC.
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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

I've seen the Quadra lift come up a couple times. Are people are just afraid of the expense of repair because it's such a complicated system? (Another reason for extended warranty)


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I've seen the Quadra lift come up a couple times. Are people are just afraid of the expense of repair because it's such a complicated system? (Another reason for extended warranty)
No "lifetime" MaxCare warranty available for EcoDiesels (or for any type of Chrysler vehicle for the Canadans up in Canadia). QL is very expensive to repair, and ignoring a broken QL isn't really an option.

There are other expensive components that vaguely seem likely to fail (nav cluster/entertainment), but those aren't as critical as drivetrain or suspension, as well as generally seeming less failure prone vs a pressurized mechanical system like QL.

I envision keeping my Jeep past the 8 years it will be under warranty/MaxCare, but QL seems like the most likely component that would cause me to have to jettison it. If you are the type that only keeps vehicles that are under warranty then you have no worries.
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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

^^ honestly I'm much more worried about the DPF system failing and stranding me. Air suspension as such will be pricey to fix, but the technology has been around far longer.
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honestly I'm much more worried about the DPF system failing and stranding me.
Actually, I pray for that to happen out of warranty because that will give me an excuse to hack the DPF and SCR off, reflash the ECU, and then have better fuel economy and reliability as a result. This is one case where the warranty is holding me back at the moment, haha.

As for the putative reliability of air suspension due to long-term existence of the technology, based on what I've read on various fora that fact didn't really seem to help keep the initial version of QuadraLift on Jeeps from being failure-prone. If there were a 10 year proven history on this version of QL then I would relax a bit.
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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

Summit with new saddle interior. Summit sound system makes a huge difference for me as music is incredible. Love ACC, and auto high beams. Have never had people flash as others report. Air Suspension lowering for entry, or using highest setting and tire change to crawl under say to install Dom's plate are neat features.
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I ordered the Limited with all options except CD player (takes up most of the console storage) and the ACC. I didn't want the ACC as my neighbor was having problems with it and didn't want a higher model because I didn't want the leather dash. Love the air suspension for off road treks and for trailer towing. Other than wanting the Jeep brown and indigo blue interior, I am a happy camper. I did add Dom's skid plate and body side moldings for protection.
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^^ honestly I'm much more worried about the DPF system failing and stranding me. Air suspension as such will be pricey to fix, but the technology has been around far longer.
I bought my EcoDiesel Limited with tow package, LuxII, and advanced tech right off the dealer's lot. It is very comprable (if not the same) as the overland without air suspension and without the wood/leather dash. I use every feature... heat/cooled seats, heated steering wheel, auto wipers, auto highbeams, auto liftgate, auto windows, auto cruise control, auto everything Plus, beacuase of PA roads, I really need the extra rubber between the road and the aluminum wheels gained from the limited's 18 inch.

Adaptive headlamps and front park sensors are the only two features I wish I could have, but both of those are available only on the Summit. The lower front end, the big wheels, air suspension, and price all kept me away from the summit anyway.

I'll take the emissions stuff off as soon as it's viable. In the meantime, my new vehicle warranty is covering the elctronics/emissions issues. No vehicle nowadays leaves the factory flawless.
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Wow, lots of great feedback thanks for all the info!


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