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Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

Hello all, first time poster to Jeep Garage, but used to frequent jeepkj.com and lostjeeps.com when I had a always-in-need-of-repair 2004 Liberty KJ.

Looking for some feedback from current WK2 owners. I am looking at ordering a GC Eco-diesel and am waiting on dealer quotes for the Limited, Overland and Summit trims. I spec'd each trim level with almost all the options (except off-road adventure II [AWY])

The questions I have are:
1. What options do you wish you had ordered, or order but don't need /use (ie lower trim level with more options to save on insurance)?

2. Given Jeeps relatively new exposure to the U.S. Diesel market, what made you decide on the GC Eco-diesel vs Brand X (my close second is the VW Touareg TDI due to projected resale value retention http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/jeep/gr...okee-vs-rivals)?

I've reviewed most of the Eco-diesel threads and they have been extremely helpful especially the 2015 vs. 2016 Ecodiesel and http://www.jeepgarage.org/f222/def-i...buy-74979.html
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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

Would order exactly the same thing today. Use every feature. Decided against the Summit as we wanted the OR11 and 18 inch wheels, plus it had too much bling for us. Good luck - you won't go wrong whatever you choose. Awesome vehicle.
To answer your second question: engine has been around a long time in one form or another, and in overseas model Jeeps for quite a while. It has also won numerous awards, and I believe it will be fitted in a modified form to the new Maserati SUV. The engine itself is incredibly strong and over engineered. We took out an extended warranty for added protection, because if things go wrong it will not be cheap to repair.
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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

To echo Ferntree's post.
We would order exactly the same thing today and we also use every feature. Our JGC is loaded and the only option we didn't get was the CD Player. No kids...... !
We also decided against the Summit as we wanted the ORII and 18 inch wheels (for a better ride!) plus we preferred the interior of the Overland. For just over a year and 15k miles, we still very much enjoy it and really use it. We tow with it and have been off road in it and all the while it has been trouble free.

The VM Motori V6 diesel was out in Europe way before it got to the US and is now featured in some high end hardware !

We also took out the FCA extended warranty due to the amount of tech on our JGC.
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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

Ditto Overland and use every feature. Would order the same. Liked the Summit but the interior color/ exterior color not my cup of tea. Also got the extended service contract (that is what you would call a warranty) for 8 years/ 120K miles because of the laden electronics and low cost ($1950).


Very happy with my diesel and it lives up to the miles per gallon quoted too. Speeds higher than 70 mpg will drop mileage a good deal.


No other competition I would consider out there in the diesel market...
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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

Great quick feedback especially about the engine history and 18 inch wheels! Philbytx- I've got kids and I grew up without rear seat entertainment so I'm probably taking a risk not putting the entertainment system in the back but I figure they'll be okay! 2k more for school. I was planning on the baseline entertainment package since every smartphone has navigation these days and almost everything is Bluetooth connectable or has an aux input. Any reason to upgrade?
I've been reading a lot about 18 inch versus the 20 inch wheels and the disadvantage of 20's especially with the lower ratio rear dif.
I know how expensive oversized tires are since the industry moved away from the 15 inch and 16 inch standards. One consideration I had thought of was buying 18 inch or shorter custom wheels to outfit the vehicle with if I purchased a summit GC. But then you're adding at least $2000 or more to an already expensive trim level.
Do the 2015's have an effective DEF guard or people still installing the aftermarket one from the forums?


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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

Dom's DEF guard is still the way to go - cheap insurance in my view. BTW - the Garmin/Jeep nav system is one of the best available - and great sized screen as well. Added plus is the "next turn" directions that come up in the middle of the instrument panel. Worth the money and adds to the resale value to boot.
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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

Kprower,

Get the NAV upgrade (the 8.4AN on our 2014's) it is very good plus it will also help with resale value.

Also figure on getting Dom's plate installed....still way better than the stock "protection".

We went with the ORAII as we like the air suspension and the 18" wheels, a cheap upgrade IMHO.
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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

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I've been reading a lot about 18 inch versus the 20 inch wheels and the disadvantage of 20's especially with the lower ratio rear dif.
I know how expensive oversized tires are since the industry moved away from the 15 inch and 16 inch standards. One consideration I had thought of was buying 18 inch or shorter custom wheels to outfit the vehicle with if I purchased a summit GC.
I think you might have a minor misunderstanding on the wheel sizes. The factory 18 and 20 have tires with the same outside diameter, so the gearing wouldn't affect your choice of one over the other. You do have a much more limited choice of tires in the factory size on the 20-inch.

If you want to swap in aftermarket wheels I think 18 inch might be the smallest wheel that will fit around the brakes.
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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

We wouldn't change anything from what we got. We had to go 600 miles away to find one that met our requirements. But the trip home helped us get used to our new JEEP!
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I think you might have a minor misunderstanding on the wheel sizes. The factory 18 and 20 have tires with the same outside diameter, so the gearing wouldn't affect your choice of one over the other. You do have a much more limited choice of tires in the factory size on the 20-inch.



If you want to swap in aftermarket wheels I think 18 inch might be the smallest wheel that will fit around the brakes.

Excellent point. I was assuming the 20" had bigger tires, but the tire sizes just show reduced sidewall height (http://www.wk2jeeps.com/wk2_wheels.htm). Thanks for the awareness on the brake fit vs the wheel size. BTW that wk2 site is awesome!


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Re: Eco-diesel trim levels vs the diesel competition

We have a loaded Overland w ORII. Purchase was based on need for a vehicle with enough HP/torque to pull our off-road trailer. I definitely would not get the Advanced Technology Group again. Right now it isn't even working, but I'd turn it off it it was. The BRAKE feature comes on in odd situations driving down the road and if you're steering around someone, it will come on and disrupt concentration. The adaptive cruise control is nothing I'd ever use. I wouldn't use it in heavy traffic and in light traffic, there isn't anything more annoying than dogging someone's bumper for mile after mile.

The rear traffic detection feature is somewhat useful in parking areas. The backup camera (which I believe is separate from the ATG) is really invaluable to me when connecting trailer to the hitch in off-road areas. I can usually back up right to the hitch with minimal fuss.

One friend of min has a Touareg and he is envious of our JGC. Another friend has a Tesla (I know, not comparable) and when I drove it yesterday I could really see the future of autos. Tesla plans to come out with an SUV at some point. My trailer has solar panels and I could see hooking a Tesla SUV up to the panels while on camping trips.
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The adaptive cruise control is nothing I'd ever use. I wouldn't use it in heavy traffic and in light traffic, there isn't anything more annoying than dogging someone's bumper for mile after mile.
As a counterpoint, the adaptive cruise control is one of my favorite features of the Jeep, and I will never own another vehicle without it. I always hated having to break cruise because some jackass in front of me kept varying their speed. Now, I don't care because ACC keeps me at a safe distance from said variable jackass. This leads to far less stressful driving. You can control how much distance ACC keeps between you and the vehicle in front of you.

On top of that, peak hypermiling fun comes from ACC drafting tractor trailers.

The automatic high beam headlamps are kind of gimmicky though. I get flashed too often when I use them because it fails to detect vehicles. I prefer the MB approach of using beam carving instead.
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