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Pennzoil Euro L 5W30 29 63.04%
Mobil ESP 5W30 12 26.09%
Other MS-11106 Spec Oil (Please Specify in Post) 1 2.17%
Oil Without MS-11106 Certification (Please Specify in Post) 4 8.70%
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Old 05-15-2014, 05:35 PM
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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

Hi everyone!
My first post!
I will be picking up my '14 Limited with the Diesel engine on Saturday!
I am in construction and have several pieces of diesel equipment.
I have been running Shell Rotella T6 (full synthetic) in my road vehicles with good results.
Does anyone else use this oil?

Hope to learn more!
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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

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No. This is what you need. It has the MS-11106 on the back. That's a pic from an extra in my garage, ordered from that link. Make sure it has that before you pour it into your Jeep.

Amazon.com: Pennzoil 550023013-6PK Ultra Euro L 5W-30 Full Synthetic Motor Oil - 1 Quart (Pack of 6): Automotive
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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

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The price was (from memory) around $200 for 24 qtrs including shipping. I used Rotella syn and dino in my SuperDuty but not for my diesel SFU.
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My dealer said you should only use Pennzoil Euro oil. They won't use anything else - something about the tolerances in the engine require this kind of oil.
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The service manager at the dealer I bought it from made it seem if you don't run the Pennzoil oil they recommend it will cause problems. I normally don't run Pennzoil or Mobile 1 but ran Liqui Moly oil in my previous CRD.
Another service manager who should get acquainted with the law. Even Pennzoil knows better.
A clearly-written explanation of this provision is contained in Pennzoil Product Bulletin F-03-A: “Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and general principles of the Federal Trade Commission Act, a manufacturer may not require the use of any brand of filter, or any other part, unless the manufacturer provides the item free of charge under the terms of the warranty. An equipment manufacturer can obtain a waiver if it proves to the FTC that the equipment would function properly only if certain brands of filters or other parts are used. The FTC must be satisfied that this is in public interest, and this waiver must be published in the Federal Register. This is a ‘waiver’ of the prohibitions on conditions of written warranty. Should a customer be told that only a brand name oil filter can be used to protect a warranty, the customer should ask to have the statement put in writing or demand that the specific product be provided free of charge. Should these demands be rejected, then the customer should request that he or she be provided with a copy of the warrantor’s approved FTC waiver. If no waiver is produced and the customer is charged for the product, there may be a violation of federal law. The customer should also be aware that he or she may have additional legal rights under applicable state warranty law which may vary from state to state.” The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act requires that if a written warranty is made, that it be made available to consumers to read before a product is purchased. The warranty must include, among other items:

A statement of what the consumer must do and expense he must bear
Exceptions and exclusions from the terms of the warranty
The step-by-step procedure which the consumer should take in order to obtain performance of any obligation under warranty, including the identification of any person or class of persons authorized to perform the obligations set forth in the warranty.
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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

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Another service manager who should get acquainted with the law. Even Pennzoil knows better.
A clearly-written explanation of this provision is contained in Pennzoil Product Bulletin F-03-A: “Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and general principles of the Federal Trade Commission Act, a manufacturer may not require the use of any brand of filter, or any other part, unless the manufacturer provides the item free of charge under the terms of the warranty.
The poster mentioned both Mobil 1 and Pennzoil (in your quotes) I am not sure he was specifically saying that Pennzoil was the only brand you can use. At this time however there are only 2 oil Brands that match the specifications for this Engine available here, unless you know of another? Magnuson-Moss does not protect you from having to use a specific product if that is the only product available that meets the specification because that is NOT what it says in the Manual which is the manufacturers statement on use (I put the specific wording below). If the customer asked to use the Mobil 1 ESP the dealer would need to use that oil but TMK at this time it is even HARDER to find than the Pennzoil.

If you use the wrong oil in your truck and you have a mechanical failure, the dealer is often instructed to do an oil analysis and get verification via receipts of oil put in the vehicle and timing. Magnuson-Moss also does not protect you if you use products not designed for or specified for use in your vehicle.... It is not Chrysler's fault that there are only 2 manufacturers presently supplying this product to North America.... I would even go one step further and say Chrysler would "likely" warranty engine damage with an oil used that meets the weight rating, and specifications of the oil without the MS-11106 certification as long as the oil Analysis comes out meeting the requirements as this is the specific wording in the manual.

On that note, I believe there is a Price drop in the works on the Pennzoil via Chrysler Distribution. I may still get mine online but we will see where that lands.

The Manufacturer requirements as it relates to Magnuson-Moss

"SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Low Ash Engine Oil meeting the requirements of Chrysler Material Standard MS- 11106 and approved ACEA C3" It does not state it must be certified by Chrysler but must meet the specification.
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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

When I did my CRD oil changes I used Luqui Moly brand as that is what they used in Europe for the same engine. The dealer put it in because it met spec and they were ok with using it (as it was oem spec in Europe for the same engine) but they didn't carry it (they had Mobil 1). However the WK2's are so new there are not a lot of oils available in the US that they can buy in quantity to stock at dealerships.

Anyway MMWA doesn't apply here as the dealer can choose to put in what oil they carry that meets specs (it doesn't force them to carry other brands on inventory). MMWA only forces them to service the vehicle even if you used oil they don't carry or recommend but it met OEM spec. However, if you used non-spec oil and they know it they can refuse (or do what willx mentioned do oil analysis). They can note it caused the failure and not do repairs under OEM warranty (meaning you pay).

Another analogy - Anyone ever have someone get the dealer to install an aftermarket they brought that was not OEM? Even if OEM "quality" (which can be considered very loose in definition)?
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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

Willx and jaje, you are both absolutely correct. And I think most of us know that currently there are only 2 oils available here in N.A. that meet spec. I included jaje's quotes because it seemed quite clear that the dealer was conveying the message that only their oil was acceptable. Did I somehow misread what the quotes actually say? We know that this kind of misinformation is passed on by dealers all the time. My dealer did it. Pennzoil Euro L is $16.79/l at the dealer and Mobil ESP Formula is $8.99 at the local bulk distributor, so I politely declined. My point was simply that anytime a dealership claims that only their product will preserve warranty then they need to understand what that means with regard to the MMWA. Otherwise point out (or show them) that the manual states otherwise.

And my apologies jaje if my statement seemed like a poke at you. It was meant as a criticism of the dealers who continue to prey on gullible customers.
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Clarity is why we have these conversations... And based on what your dealer was offering I would be angry too. That is even high for a dealer price! Shouldn't be more than $11.00 now and the dealer should be doing for about $9.00 or less each soon....

Apparently our complaints have been heard.

Btw... It is never a bad thing to make sure people fully understand their rights and don't get duped. Some dealers deserve the nick name "stealers"


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My dealer said you should only use Pennzoil Euro oil. They won't use anything else - something about the tolerances in the engine require this kind of oil.

I've been in the service side of the business at various dealerships for the past 12 years. Most dealer people including many service managers couldn't tell a connecting rod from a tie rod.

The oil specification has little to do with the engine or the tolerances, its almost purely about the exhaust aftertreatment. Infact the specified oil's additive package is balancing act between engine protection versus DPF protection. If it wasn't for EGR and aftertreatment they would have us running a far more common oil. Me, I'd rather protect the engine, why protect the DPF, if you can keep the engine from burning oil you won't have DPF problems.
The rationale is if the engine will consume oil atleast it won't affect the DPF, as much, provided they use the ACEA C3 low SAPS oil.
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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

I contacted customer service for Jeep and they did not say that I could not use another oil or that if I did it would necessarily void my warranty. They said they recommended using the certified oil. That being said I will stick with the oils that are certified but I think from reading other threads on oil that you be just as protected if you used the oils that were certified for use in the Mercedes Benz vehicles.
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I don't know much about oils but I do know that an internal engine failure could be denied warranty if you decide to use any oil you like. If its OK to use any oil, why not use the cheapest possible Walmart generic dino oil? Even though we know other premium oils are excellent, the certifications are there for a reason!
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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

It seems in Australia dealers are free to use oil that does fully meet the Jeep specifications
A ring around sees most dealers in South east Queensland using a castrol product and when you review the specifications it clearly does not meet the required specifications BUT Jeep Australia has authorized the oil so what does that tell you


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