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Pennzoil Euro L 5W30 51 60.71%
Mobil ESP 5W30 25 29.76%
Other MS-11106 Spec Oil (Please Specify in Post) 2 2.38%
Oil Without MS-11106 Certification (Please Specify in Post) 6 7.14%
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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

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It seems in Australia dealers are free to use oil that does fully meet the Jeep specifications
A ring around sees most dealers in South east Queensland using a castrol product and when you review the specifications it clearly does not meet the required specifications BUT Jeep Australia has authorized the oil so what does that tell you


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What oil are they using?

Provided its C3 rated no worries, 229.51 benz spec and C3 are almost interchangable specs and more common than some Chrysler MS # spec.

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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

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What oil are they using?

Provided its C3 rated no worries, 229.51 benz spec and C3 are almost interchangable specs and more common than some Chrysler MS # spec.
There are a number of Castrol 229.51 compliant Oils that they could be recommending in the proper weight of 5w30.

Mercedes-Benz Betriebsstoff-Vorschriften: Motoröl, Getriebeöl, ATF, Kühlmittel, Bremsflüssigkeiten

Chart above for international reference. In north America I recommend sticking to the spec, but it is absolutely required to stick to the weight rating specified. Not sticking to the Weight rating and keeping the receipts for your oil is pretty well a guarantee to be denied warranty coverage if there is an internal engine failure.

Jeep Australia is an independent entity and they have their own rules.
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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

Up until now the Mercedes 229.51 spec (as well as VW's and BMW's) has been one of the hardest standards to meet for these small passenger car turbo diesels, but a number of products now meet that criterion. The new Chrysler MS 11106 spec adds another requirement above and beyond the MB 229.51. MS 11106 oils must also meet requirements for both the TEOST MHT test and TEOST 33C. The MHT requirement is there to reduce piston ring land coking and the 33C requirement is there to reduce turbo coking. I would suspect that any failure of these components during the warranty period would invite a pretty thorough investigation that the oil used met the MS 11106 requirement.

People can use any oil they wish, but a mfg will seek to find any excuse they can to avoid paying for the repair. The only oils currently meeting the MS 11106 in NA are Mobil 1 ESP Formula and Pennzoil Ultra Euro L. Shell also has a product in other markets called Shell Helix Ultra Extra that qualifies.

We can hope that other oil mfg's will add more products that meet this spec someday but I have my doubts. It's a very small market and most of it is supplied by the dealers. It's a very small piece of the oil pie that requires volume to justify the investment. If it were as simple as dumping a new additive in the mix then maybe, but this new spec places additional demands on the base stock. For now we are stuck with very limited choices. A tip of the hat to Fiat/Pennzoil for a magnificent marketing strategy.
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Thank you for the detailed response. Those are two very important items and certainly those make this oil stand out from the Mercedes Spec.

On another note, I see the Pennzoil product MSRP at the dealers has dropped below $10.00 now.
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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

Thanks for sharing, TEOST MHT-4 and 33c ratings are also incorporated in ILSAC GF5 spec oils. However not too long ago MB and Jeep were under the same roof, I found this from an older parts manual. More evidence MS - 11106 is just a carry over from 229.51.

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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

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Thanks for sharing, TEOST MHT-4 and 33c ratings are also incorporated in GF5 oils. However not too long ago MB and Jeep were under the same roof, I found this from an older parts manual. More evidence MS - 11106 is just a carry over from 229.51.
Just because an oil is backwards compatible to an older standard does not mean that all oils of the older standard are forward compatible. GF5 oils are perfectly fine in vehicles requiring GF3 but obviously the inverse does not apply.

Also just because the testing was included in GF5 are you going to tell me the exact same results are present in GF5 oil vs the Full Synthetic MS-11106? So you are suggesting that Synthetic oil does not stand up to the high heat testing better than standard oils? I simply don't see how that is possible.
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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

I have my 2014 on order and was looking to use Amsoil euro oil 5w-30. It meets the MB 229.51 spec. I can get a 5 liter container for $56 to my door from my local amsoil guy. What do you think?

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Also just because the testing was included in GF5 are you going to tell me the exact same results are present in GF5 oil vs the Full Synthetic MS-11106? So you are suggesting that Synthetic oil does not stand up to the high heat testing better than standard oils? I simply don't see how that is possible.
I think you missed my point.

TEOST - Thermal Engine Oil Stability Test; isn't exclusive to any one manufacture spec (ie MS-11106); GF5 rating uses this same testing. The belief is the two engine oils that carry MS-11106 are some kind of exclusive specification, however it appears to be no different than MB 229.51, Chrysler even noted this themselves as evidence above. No longer will they mention 229.51 since the exit from Daimler.

Full Synthetic... what is that? i'll leave that for another time.

I will be running Pennzoil Euro L next, will take oil an analysis, if the numbers are good I have no problem advocating for the product, so far results have been questionable.
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I am not advocating Pennzoil by any means. I am as ticked as the next guy that the recommended option is so expensive.

The oil analysis is probably the very best way to prove it works or doesn't because each persons application of their vehicle changes that breakdown. I have seen some positive results using the M1 esp. It would be great if you posted your analysis of the Pennzoil.
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The belief is the two engine oils that carry MS-11106 are some kind of exclusive specification, however it appears to be no different than MB 229.51
I don't think so. I see your parts book reference simply confirming my earlier point. All MS 11106 oils will easily meet the spec for MB 229.51. But the only MB 229.51 oils that will meet the MS 11106 spec are the ones that have been tested, and passed, the TEOST test. So far the only one is Mobil. All other MB 229.51 oils either have not been tested or have not passed that additional test and thus have not received the MS 11106 certification.

We could just be splitting hairs on this issue, but warranty can be an ugly process if the mfg decides to fight with you. On this one it seems like Fiat has us over a bit of a barrel.
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Re: EcoDiesel Which Oil Will You Use

So interesting tidbit to add to the conversation... This Engine has Viscosity Sensors and can actually throw codes for Viscosity.

Someone who decided to put the wrong oil in their Jeep got this.

P1D30-00-OIL VISCOSITY TOO LOW

Personally I have not seen that before on a vehicle but it is nice to see that there is an actual sensor that looks at oil quality.
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A ring around sees most dealers in South east Queensland using a castrol product and when you review the specifications it clearly does not meet the required specifications BUT Jeep Australia has authorized the oil so what does that tell you

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I would double check which castrol product, as I am in South East Qld, and our dealer uses Castrol, and when I reasearched it, it did meet the spec. Ive got the file somewhere, will post when I find it.
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