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Re: Ecodiesels with >50K miles - changes in experience

From new until about 44k mine had what most on here call "Fish Bites". Its a quick repetitive shudder while accelerating. It feels like running over the rumble strip on the road's edge at maybe 5 mph. Mine only did it while cold or after a restart and only once. I attributed it to transmission tuning with the latest TCM flash fixing it.

Am I experiencing the head issue instead? I drive it like I stole it to keep carbon buildup at bay and have 64k miles so far.

The only issue I have now is some resonance/rattle at 1500 rpm.

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Re: Ecodiesels with >50K miles - changes in experience

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The 60K service is a major one with entire suspension etc. being inspected - does any part of the suspension (especially on the air suspension models) need maintenance or give up at that point?
Just want to address this point the OP made. If you actually read the maintenance schedule the only items that are actually done at 60k are air and cabin filters, oil/filter change, and fuel filters (diesel). (It also adds the rear air suspension springs should be cleaned every oil change?).
These "major" services are typically an excuse for dealers to charge outrageous sums of money for completing all of these items. The reality is most are just inspect items. Your tech may or may not complete these items, in fact in most cases they're going to get pencil whipped. Most dealers will do a multi-point inspection during an oil change anyway.

I completely understand not everyone is a DIY automotive maintainer and not everyone has the facilities for these tasks. I would however caution you about giving the dealer a blank check on these big services. Tell them exactly what you want done and nothing more. But honestly, some of these items are super easy---the air & cabin filters? Pull up a DIY vid on you tube and tackle that job yourself. The dealer will charge upwards of $50-75 to do an air filter when you can do it yourself for less than $20.

Everyone worries about a voided warranty if these services aren't done. For one, it's against the law for them to void an entire warranty outright. Secondly, it's illegal for them to state you have to have the service done at the dealership. You do have to show that the items were completed, but save your receipts for an independent or DIY and you're good.
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Re: Ecodiesels with >50K miles - changes in experience

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Just want to address this point the OP made. If you actually read the maintenance schedule the only items that are actually done at 60k are air and cabin filters, oil/filter change, and fuel filters (diesel). (It also adds the rear air suspension springs should be cleaned every oil change?).
These "major" services are typically an excuse for dealers to charge outrageous sums of money for completing all of these items. The reality is most are just inspect items. Your tech may or may not complete these items, in fact in most cases they're going to get pencil whipped. Most dealers will do a multi-point inspection during an oil change anyway.

I completely understand not everyone is a DIY automotive maintainer and not everyone has the facilities for these tasks. I would however caution you about giving the dealer a blank check on these big services. Tell them exactly what you want done and nothing more. But honestly, some of these items are super easy---the air & cabin filters? Pull up a DIY vid on you tube and tackle that job yourself. The dealer will charge upwards of $50-75 to do an air filter when you can do it yourself for less than $20.

Everyone worries about a voided warranty if these services aren't done. For one, it's against the law for them to void an entire warranty outright. Secondly, it's illegal for them to state you have to have the service done at the dealership. You do have to show that the items were completed, but save your receipts for an independent or DIY and you're good.

Agree, don't listen to what the dealer says read and understand what your owners manual says that is what you should follow. Dealers rob people blind by pushing dealer optional maintenance as required. offering it as an option is one thing but stating it is a requirement or your warranty will be voided which many do is fraudulent. The fact is if you are an average driver in average conditions which most are there is very little actual maintenance to perform in the first 100k miles. As mentioned above oil changes, air filters, cabin filters and fuel filters (for the diesel). All very low cost and easy DIY if you should choose. Fuel filters I cant speak for I don't know their cost.

You can always do more if you want but the basic requirements for the first 100k are very few and low cost.
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56,000 miles with no problems other than CAT replacement at 38000 miles. Overall average 28 mpg.
What he said.. I have 52000k, one SCR Cat replacement around 20k.. Other than the flat spot off-idle when rock crawling, jeep has been great!

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Just want to address this point the OP made. If you actually read the maintenance schedule the only items that are actually done at 60k are air and cabin filters, oil/filter change, and fuel filters (diesel). (It also adds the rear air suspension springs should be cleaned every oil change?).
These "major" services are typically an excuse for dealers to charge outrageous sums of money for completing all of these items. The reality is most are just inspect items. Your tech may or may not complete these items, in fact in most cases they're going to get pencil whipped. Most dealers will do a multi-point inspection during an oil change anyway.

I completely understand not everyone is a DIY automotive maintainer and not everyone has the facilities for these tasks. I would however caution you about giving the dealer a blank check on these big services. Tell them exactly what you want done and nothing more. But honestly, some of these items are super easy---the air & cabin filters? Pull up a DIY vid on you tube and tackle that job yourself. The dealer will charge upwards of $50-75 to do an air filter when you can do it yourself for less than $20.

Everyone worries about a voided warranty if these services aren't done. For one, it's against the law for them to void an entire warranty outright. Secondly, it's illegal for them to state you have to have the service done at the dealership. You do have to show that the items were completed, but save your receipts for an independent or DIY and you're good.
Excellent advice. I was on another forum (which is all about complaining about their diesels) and they keep coming up with the "They said I did or would void my warranty". 90% or more of the time it is utter BS.

I have been a Harley owner for several years also and they are just as bad if not worse. So the first thing you learn about is the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act.

Everyone that owns a vehicle should read and understand the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act.There are of course situations where you will void the warrenty but in most cases they need to prove that you are at fault for the issue. Most especially if they are saying you did not use factory parts or fluids. I have had Harley dealers try to void an engine warranty because my tires were not stock ...to say the least that did not fly ...you have to know your stuff when you go in though.

Oh and if you do your own maintenance the only requirement is that you keep records and usually I keep receipts. (but you said that)
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Re: Ecodiesels with >50K miles - changes in experience

I guess I'll step on the pedal harder for a few months as the dreaded "shudder" appears once in a while.

http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk2_0900615.pdf

I thought there was a software flash for a similar issue a year or two ago for a shuddering or "fishbite" sensation which was usually around 55 MPH or going from 7th to 8th gear.
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