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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner.

All the more reason for somebody to come up with a conversion kit for $50 or $100 that will eliminate the $40 pain and misery and replace it with a convenient $7 alternative.........

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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

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Just what does that antique cartridge in a cannister offer that is so superior to a spin on type filter? Seems the rest of the automotive industry has gotten along with spin on filters for quite a while without any problems. There are even wonderful spin on fuel filter kits available to replace the cartridge systems too. Lots of them on Cummins and PS powered trucks use them regularly.

I don't have any allegiance to Fram. I was just using that as an example of an affordable convenient spin on filter that would be much easier and cheaper to change regularly than the arrangement currently in place. Seems like a nice modern vehicle could do without a 1940's oil filter arrangment at quadruple the cost of the alternative. I know the grade of oil has increased the price dramatically for these SFU oil changes, but I can get the oil and filter changed in the wife's Edge for less than half the price of the filter alone for this engine, and done in a few minutes without a lot of effort.

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I didn't say or imply a canister filter is superior to a spin on type filter...I don't think it is at all. It's just that I doubt we'll see any adaptor kit made; if for no other reason than the fleet numbers of these isn't that high...at least right now. With either a spin on adaptor or aftermarket oem filter, I'd rather pay under $10 bucks for a filter as much as the next guy..

And the funny thing, or perhaps more maddening thing, is these canister filters we use should cost less than a spin on filter. These don't even have any metal. It's just a plastic skeleton tube with filter media glued to two end caps and two O-rings. When you look at one in pieces on your bench you think why did I just pay that much for some paper, glue, plastic and O-rings. Mopar is just giving us the middle finger.

Not that I'm recommending it, but I bet a person could get away with changing out the filter on every other oil change, although I wouldn't do it if you plan on 10K intervals. I just did my second oil change with 5K on the oil and filter (which I know is premature to many of you, but I had a lot of idling and the evic was 10% anyway) and after inspecting the inside of the filter media I could just have left the filter in while just changing out the oil. I know the book says 10K or twelve months so while I wouldn't be comfortable with 10K on the oil, I wouldn't feel too uncomfortable by skipping the filter and letting it go 10K. Besides the oil drains down out of it so it's not like you're keeping a half quart of dirty oil in the filter if you just change the oil. Although I would still crack open the housing cap to equalize air pressure so the oil could better flow down out of it. Then just let your pan drain a good long while, replace your drain plug, tighten your filter cap down and then fill'er up with fresh oil.

I know some piston powered aircraft owners change the filter every other oil change too.
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

This engine has been in use for a couple years now so it isn't Jeep doing that it is the manufacturer that makes them like Mann or Mahle which would be the most likely ones. I too am hoping increased sales will drive more production and send prices down where they should be for a filter like this which is in the 7-12 buck range not what was paid anywhere from 30 to 60 bucks...
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

Well maybe with Dodge using this engine in the new 2015 1500 Ram pickups, the numbers will increase to the level some gearheads will see the light and offer conversions in the future from places like GenosGarage.com or such.

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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

I hope so too. Something will change probably just a matter of time.

Speaking of oil change intervals, Chrysler advertises 18,500 mile intervals on their 3.0L Ecodiesel I4 engine here (not our engine):

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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

About the oil level. When I check the oil level, after the engine has been off over night, the initial level when I first pull out the dip stick is low (even below the min level on the dip stick). If I re-insert the dip stick and pull it out, the oil level is at the max level, or higher, on the dip stick. Which is the correct level?
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

Correct way to check oil.

Leave overnight, remove dipstick, wipe clean, reinsert dipstick.
Then remove and check the level and whatever shows on the dipstick is the correct level.
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Drain plug

I changed the oil a while back (not too bad, but it should be simpler) and messed up the drain plug a bit (it was on VERY tight). Rather than ordering one from a local dealer, does anyone know where I can get one online?

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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

You could install a Quik Drain Valve instead. Makes it a whole lot easier and no torquing or crush washers to worry about !

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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

I am on a road trip across the country and currently have about 8700 miles on the JGC and 13% left on the oil per the EVIC. Went into the local dealer (in Savannah GA) today to get the oil and filter changed and they didn't have the filter...said it would take a few days to get it. Next stop where I could get the work done is Nashville...called the dealer there for an appointment ...they said "none needed" for an oil change...told them about my experience here and they put me on hold...came back and said yep, we don't have that filter. I am currently waiting for their parts guy to get back to me, with fingers crossed.
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About the oil level. When I check the oil level, after the engine has been off over night, the initial level when I first pull out the dip stick is low (even below the min level on the dip stick). If I re-insert the dip stick and pull it out, the oil level is at the max level, or higher, on the dip stick. Which is the correct level?
I noticed that same thing and was actually going to make a post about it..
A while ago I checked the level after it sat overnight, and it showed at the lower line. So I added a quart. Then I checked the next day and it was at the same level and I wondered why it didn't move up at all. Then I checked the stick again and it was over full. Any car I've had the most accurate reading is after it sits a couple hours, and the reading doesn't change after the first check of the stick a 30 seconds later.

I saw a post I forget where and someone wrote the same thing, then said he read the book and it said to check it hot?? So that sounded odd to me and I looked at the full manual I received after calling Chrysler and it didn't say that, it said what we all know which is check the engine after it has been sitting over night.

It's a mystery to me, and it makes it difficult to determine if you're burning/losing oil.

Would someone else post your experiences with this please.
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Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner.

All the more reason for somebody to come up with a conversion kit for $50 or $100 that will eliminate the $40 pain and misery and replace it with a convenient $7 alternative.........

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$40.00 pain?
Here in Australia down under the cheapest price for the diesel oil filter has been $64.00
Talk about stealerships

The part is made in Twain or china and bet Jeep only pay about $5.00 to $10.oo for the part
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