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Old 05-03-2015, 06:11 PM
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Re: First oil change some info and comments

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I'm wondering how you are jacking / lifting your GC's to change oil or rotate wheels/tires. With unit body construction the lift points are critical to not damaging the chassis/frame. On my Rubicon I just lift under the live axles - easy! But on my new GC Summit Diesel I'm concerned about lift points for wheel rotation. For my oil change I just lifted the air suspension to max and then drove onto four old pieces of wooden support beam - easy again. But to rotate tires I need to lift two wheels at a time diagonally. I usually use my 2 hyrdraulic lift jacks, but would like to know where and how to position under the vehicle. My last GC with a Hemi I just used the factory jack but by the time I was finished it was bordering on needing replacement - single use only I'd say, cheap and nasty.
Any thoughts on jack points or an adapter that allows you to use the factory jack points would be most appreciated!
Also the oil reset - press accel pedal slowly 3X in 10 secs. - does not work for me, is the - depress accel pedal fully for 30 secs while also depressing brake pedal 6X - the correct procedure for the diesel GC??
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Good questions and I'll be interested in other replies.
I haven't jacked the vehicle at all yet- totally agree the jack is crap, and jacking points are important to get right, (as with most modern vehicles.)
I will likely be jacking one corner at a time for rotating tyres, and using the spare temporarily -a bit painful and painfull and slow.

For the oil change I used portable car ramps, which works perfectly in my driveway as it's at a slight angle, so the car is actually level when up on the ramps.
I had trouble resetting the oil change reminder last time (six months ago), just persisted and eventually it worked.
This time the brake pedal thing didn't work, the accelerator pedal three times did on about the second try. It all seems very hit and miss. I would suggest that if you have trouble, just try, try again perhaps varying your timing a little.

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Re: First oil change some info and comments

I have only raised my Jeep on a lift so far, haven't used a floor jack or tire jack (and hopefully wont get a flat so wont have to!) but with the lift pads you can't really place them where you would the included tire jack where the arrows are located on what I believe are called the lower rocker panels. I'd have to look again but it may press up on those panels if you placed a regular floor jack there because the lift point is higher. I place the rear lift pads on a chassis spot in front of rear tires, which for all I know may be designed for that, or maybe not too. The fronts I go more towards the center of the car on the chassis, on what I will call "rails" and they slope up in the front. You could probably use a piece of wood to spread the load on a floor jack placed on the chassis, and lift the whole side, even if it were not completely centered forward and aft. I've done that on several other cars and I don't recall driving away all crooked and crabbing down the road

You can also get an adapter on some floor jacks that is just like the included jack and has the groove to place under factory designated tire jack locations.
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Re: First oil change some info and comments

I did an oil change the other day. I didn't have to go anywhere the next morning, so just for kicks and out of curiosity I let it drain overnight.

I started the oil draining and loosened the filter cap. Then about two hours later removed the full drain pan and placed an empty drain pan under the oil pan. It was still dripping every few seconds. I removed the filter and used a turkey baster to suck out the oil in the filter housing. When I started sucking up that oil I heard more oil dripping into the drain pan, maybe some pressure got released or something and some more flowed out down through the oil pump.

Anyway, the next day I measured about 1/3 quart of oil out of that second pan which was left under it overnight.

So, if you want to do the ultimate OCD oil change, let it drain overnight and you may be surprised how much oil drips out
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Re: First oil change some info and comments

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I did an oil change the other day. I didn't have to go anywhere the next morning, so just for kicks and out of curiosity I let it drain overnight.

I started the oil draining and loosened the filter cap. Then about two hours later removed the full drain pan and placed an empty drain pan under the oil pan. It was still dripping every few seconds. I removed the filter and used a turkey baster to suck out the oil in the filter housing. When I started sucking up that oil I heard more oil dripping into the drain pan, maybe some pressure got released or something and some more flowed out down through the oil pump.

Anyway, the next day I measured about 1/3 quart of oil out of that second pan which was left under it overnight.

So, if you want to do the ultimate OCD oil change, let it drain overnight and you may be surprised how much oil drips out

I'm with you! I always drain overnight and fill the next morning. I found that 8 qts. was not quite enough after a complete overnight drain. I left it a bit low on the stick(still between add and full) since I don't have another quart at this time.
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Re: First oil change some info and comments

Have we pretty much proven via Blackstone or other verifiable methods, without getting emotions or opinions involved, that we can go the full 10K on a proper oil change with no excessive detrimental oil degredation?
I have always changed mine at 6500-8000 miles, but I have no good basis to continue that, or prove it it has any benefit other than in my mind......
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Re: First oil change some info and comments

On a QL fitted Jeep, you don't need ramps or jacks to change the oil. Just raise it up to max off road . If you fitted a QuickDrain Valve at the first change, it then makes it all that much easier

Also, ask your local dealer how much they charge to rotate your wheels. I called mine and he quoted me $15.95!

My Ultra Euro L Blackstone analysis at 8500 showed plenty of life left in the oil and that's with about 1500 miles of towing our travel trailer. Henceforth, I will be using 8500 as my benchmark, as we are coming up to the busy "Travel Trailer" season.
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On a QL fitted Jeep, you don't need ramps or jacks to change the oil. Just raise it up to max off road .
...and put it in tire jack mode, and (most importantly) put jack stands in place.
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Re: First oil change some info and comments

Ahhh! The all important "Elf and Safety" warning !


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...and put it in tire jack mode, and (most importantly) put jack stands in place.
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Ahhh! The all important "Elf and Safety" warning
Heh. I know it's lame to mention the safety stuff, but how many of us have come back to our Jeep only to find that it had decided to change its ride height to a different mode/level while it was parked and off? I've seen it on mine a few times.

When I'm on a creeper under the Jeep in OR2 there's not much room between my chest and the bottom of the vehicle.
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Re: First oil change some info and comments

I understand completely and always work with jack stands...but I do so admire Darwin's theory
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Re: First oil change some info and comments

Great post, very informative. I have the 2014 3.0L EchoDiesel and I can not get the oil change and oil life indicators to reset. I have tried the published method 12 times:
Vehicles with push-button start:

1. Without pressing the brake pedal, press the ENGINE START/STOP button and cycle the ignition to the ON/ RUN position (Do not start the engine).
2. Slowly depress the accelerator to the floor and release it three times within 10 seconds.
3. Without pressing the brake pedal, press the ENGINE START/STOP button once to return the ignition to the OFF/LOCK position.

I have tried this method as well that I found online
Vehicles with diesel engines (export models):

1. Cycle the ignition to the "ON/RUN" position (Do not start the engine).
2. Fully depress the accelerator pedal and keep it fully depressed for at least 30 seconds.
3. Press and release the brake pedal six times while holding the accelerator pedal pressed.
4. Perform one ignition OFF-ON cycle, start the engine and verify that the reminder has been reset.

Repeat the process if the indicator does not reset.

Neither of the above methods are working, does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Neither of the above methods are working, does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
When it doesn't work for me it's because I am doing it too fast: more like 3 pushes in 3 seconds. 10 seconds is really quite a long time for three cycles. If you haven't already tried the slow approach, give it a shot. Go slow, make sure the pedal gets all the way to the bottom and pause a moment with it fully depressed each time.
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