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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

Got to wonder why we are longer and the rest of the world is around 10K kms.
I think long life oils like Amsoil are excellent but I will stick with my 10K miles so that the dealer cannot deny any warranty claim.
My SD was every 5K miles and oil analysis bears that out. But it is a much sooter engine than the VM is.
All I know is that we will all be learning with this new engine...
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Regardless of what the oil says I always do a change per the vehicle recommendations. I think I'll go with Amsoil and see what happens, seems easier to find it especially online. I have a fluid extractor for my other car but it'll be nice to raise the suspension of my SFU and do an oil change the old fashioned way.
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

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Regardless of what the oil says I always do a change per the vehicle recommendations. I think I'll go with Amsoil and see what happens, seems easier to find it especially online. I have a fluid extractor for my other car but it'll be nice to raise the suspension of my SFU and do an oil change the old fashioned way.
The closest match Amsoil has for the SFU is AMSOIL European Car Formula 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil. The only approvals for this oil are:

• VW 504.00/507.00
• Mercedes-Benz 229.51
• BMW LL-04
• Porsche C30

Missing from the list is Chrysler's MS-11106 which is the material spec Chrysler requires for the SFU motor oil.
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

If you are changing your own oil, do NOT use any oil that does not comply with Chrysler's MS-11106.
It may be more of a hassle or more expensive, but I can tell you it will be both easier to find and cheaper than it is for us in Aus. And to make sure you have your ass covered for warranty, it is just not worth considering any other oil.

We only have one choice in Aus, but you should have at least 3 maybe 5 in the US.

Mobil 1™ ESP Formula 5W-30

Shell Helix Ultra Extra X 5W-30

PENNZOIL PLATINUM Advanced Full Synthetic Motor Oil

PENNZOIL ULTRA Ultra-Class Full Synthetic Motor Oil This is what the Mopar Oil is.

In Aus, that Shell Helix oil had a slight change and no longer says it complies with MS-11106, not sure if it is the same in the US.
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

what a pain in the ass, fist car I've ever owned that was so specific on oil standards. Usually just make sure you have the correct viscosity and you're good to go. Until Amsoil meets the standards I guess I'll stick with the two people have been talking about.
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

Just found Mobil 5W30 ESP in 1L for 9.59 at Advance Auto and they have it in stock. Rather than ordering the stuff this is the path I am taking unless I can find it cheaper synthetic that meets the spec...
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

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Just found Mobil 5W30 ESP in 1L for 9.59 at Advance Auto and they have it in stock. Rather than ordering the stuff this is the path I am taking unless I can find it cheaper synthetic that meets the spec...
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I've been looking at the pennzoil euro l which has the Chrysler MS-11106 spec. I found it on amazon prime for $50 for a 6 pack. If you subscribe it comes down to $43. I would have ordered already but I still have a horrible 2 week wait until I get my Jeep. Take a look:

Amazon.com: Pennzoil 550023013-6PK Ultra Euro L Full Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-30 - 1 Quart (Pack of 6): Automotive

And for the spec which was previously posted on this thread:

Pennzoil Ultra Full Synthetic Motor Oil - Pennzoil

http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pe...Specifications

Also, I've always ran Mobil 1 in my engines, but it seems too hard to find for this diesel.
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

Digging for some info about possible oil options I came across the 2012 Chemical Mopar Catalog. On page 17 they list "pennZoil ultra L 5w-30 full synthetic" with Mopar part number 68001334PB and certified for Chrysler's MS-11106. Numerous sites have that Mopar part number in stock and list it as low as $6.11/qt. The problem is that I can't find anything about "ultra L 5w-30" on the PennZoil site. They only list "ultra Euro L 5w-30". Are they the same? Can we use Mopar part number 68001334PB safely in the SFU's?
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

It probably is the same, Ultra being the overall branding level, but the Chrysler MS-11106 compliant version is Euro L.
I listed the link to the specs above

Pennzoil Ultra Full Synthetic Motor Oil - Pennzoil
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

I checked the MSDS and it doesn't list meeting the Chrysler spec. From what I understand the L in Ultra and Euro is for low ash. Pennzoil's web site is not clear on the difference between the two.
Could be that they are the same but if so the Pennzoil reference doesn't speak to the Euro L much at all.
I am off to visit BITOG to see if there is something on that site that might help us all...

OK I found the answer from this site
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2581342

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"A main difference between the two oils is that the PU Euro 5W-30 is heavier at operating temp's with it's HTHSV of 3.5cP while the lighter regular PU 5W-30's has a HTHSV of 3.1cP."

HTHS means High Temperature High Shear so it appears that the PU L has a lower HTHS than what the PU Euro L does.

Also found this for Castrol oil from this site
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/castrol-edge-qa/

"The Castrol product that would be recommended for small turbo diesels like the Jeep Liberty CRD would depend on the engine and OEM. For example, the Grand Cherokee V6 3.0 Diesel Turbo (2007-2008) calls for Chrysler Spec MS-11106 or MB 229.51 and ACEA C3. The Castrol product recommended for this engine is Castrol EDGE Professional OE 5W-30.
Castrol EDGE Professional OE 5W-30 (also seen in the market as Castrol SLX Professional OE 5W-30) can be purchased at Amazon.com and VW’s dealerships."

I need to go read what the MS-11106 says in this regard.
All I know at the moment...
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I checked the MSDS and it doesn't list meeting the Chrysler spec.
MSDS or the Technical Data Sheet?
The Technical Data Sheet is for Ultra (North American and Japanese/Asian OEMs), not Euro L, so it won’t mention MS-11106


The Technical Data Sheet is for Ultra (North American and Japanese/Asian OEMs), not Euro L, so it won’t mention MS-11106


This is the Castrol’s data sheet, it is not MS-11106 compliant http://www.tds.castrol.com.au/pdf/11...79_2013_01.pdf

This is Shell’s data sheet SHELL HELIX ULTRA EXTRA 5W30- http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC...en)_TDS_v1.pdf
The problem with these is that the formula can be changed since these sheets were done.
This happened with the Shell formula in Aus. MS-11106 is no longer listed on the bottle when it once was. Shell Aus have told someone that was enquiring that it was removed due to change in formula, but it should still comply. Without that standard on the bottle, it is a pass and move onto an option that ticks all boxes without any doubt.
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

MSDS is what stated which spec it met I can only assume the TDS would provide even better information. There are clearly different formulations for for different countries which is especially true for Castrol which seems to have more variations that any other oil I am familiar with.

Regardless of what oil I use it will be compliant with MS-11106.

I would figure since OZ has had this engine much longer than we have that you guys would have more options available.
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