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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

I just completed my first oil change on my 2014 4X4 JGC Turbo diesel. I had 9,200 miles with 8% showing on the oil life gauge. The only reason I didn't wait till 10,000 miles was that I am busy next weekend and will be driving a 1,000 miles next week.

I used Penzoil 5W30 Ultra Euro L fully synthetic which I purchased online from The Oil Hub. I ordered the 24 qt box (actually a 24 qt bladder) for $9.45 / qt. I purchased the filter for $41 from the Jeep dealer.

I appreciate all the information I got from this forum as I was definitely better prepared for the task from previous posts.

I followed the EVIC reset steps on the oil life gauge and it took 3 times but it finally reset.
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

My dealer just completed my first oil and filter change (no charge).
Here's the info from the Mopar Chemicals Catalog on the oil they used along with the Mopar part #:

PennZoil ultra l 5w-30
full synthetic
Approved for 3.0L CRD (WK) and Sprinter 3.0L OM642 (VB).
1 Quart (32 oz.) Bottle
part no. 68001334pb
750 Quart Pallet
part no. 68001335pa
MS-11106 (MB-229.51)

The filter Mopar part number they used is: 68109834aa.

They also added 5 gallons of DEF fluid. The Jeep has 5900 miles on it and the oil life indicator was at 32%.
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

It appears the miles "since reset" mileage on the oil life % indicator doesn't keep exact mileage since the actual last reset as compared to odometer miles..(at least on my truck)

When I did the first (and only to date) oil change on Dec. 1, 2013, my truck had 1137 miles on the odometer. The miles "since reset" showed 1134. (see pic) So there was a 3 mile discrepancy.

I assume when the truck was built the oil life indicator was zero along with the odometer. Maybe it took 3 miles for the oil life indicator to start counting, or maybe the rate at which it counts is slightly off. or maybe the factory reset it after 3 miles but that doesn't account for the discrepancy I found after my oil change. When I picked up my Jeep I wasn't really familiar with the EVIC so I didn't notice what the oil life % page showed for miles since reset, but I would liked to have noticed the oil life % percentage page then to see if the miles matched the odometer back when I picked it up when it had 14 miles

So, when I did the oil change on Dec. 1, my Jeep had 1137 odometer miles and I reset the indicator then. (pic attached was right before I reset it) Yesterday I took a pic of the oil life % page and it shows 2757 miles "since reset" with a total odometer miles of 3900.


But this is the odometer math: I have 3900 miles, and reset it at 1137, so 3900 minus 1137 = 2763 which is the odometer miles I drove since oil change/reset; which is 6 different than the 2757 the oil % says

or to compute it this way: if you take 1137 (the mileage when I reset the indicator at the oil change) and add 2757 which it says were driven since last reset, it adds up to 3894, not 3900 which is the mileage on my jeep.


So there is a 6 mile difference as you can see. I know it doesn't really matter, but this is exact computer car display stuff, so I don't understand why it doesn't match the odometer exactly. (there should in theory only be up to 1 mile discrepancy to account for how many tenths of mile you were into a mile on the odometer when you reset the oil indicator)

Of course when I reset the indicator at 1137 miles I didn't pay attention to see if it started counting right from there exactly after my oil change.

But when I do the next oil change I am going to reset one of my trip odometers at same time as oil life reset to compare it exactly with the oil life miles since reset to see if it starts counting right away and to track it to see if it is consistent as the miles add up.

Please post some of your numbers for comparison..If you have not done an oil change yet, take a look your oil life % page to see if the miles since reset matches your odometer and take notice if it starts counting right after you do an oil change...or if you are picking up a new CRD let us know if the numbers match...just curious..
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I changed mine yesterday at 17% oil life left and 3800miles on it. I have been doing some longish idle times and city driving, but it sure did seem short.

I used the Pennzoil from Amazon and the MOPAR filter.

The change was fairly simple, but did take awhile due to the long drain time and a bit of a learning curve.
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

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As an update my oil arrived today. 24 quarts for 198 bucks shipped which works out to 8.25 a quart. Not cheap but no tax and free shipping. This should take me down the road a good ways...
Site is posted above if you are interested and I am not affiliated with at all but they delivered my oil in good shape...
Fella's I found a way to beat this price. This might be only if you have Amazon prime… Im not sure since I have it and so I can't see how much it'd cost if you don't have it.

Order a case (or 2 as I did) to arrive every 6 months via the Amazon "Subscribe and save" option. This option takes 15% off and with Amazon prime I get free shipping so this is what the 2 cases comes out to look like:

Subscription summary
Items (2): $98.96
Shipping & handling: $0.00
Subscription Discount: -$14.84
Total before tax: $84.12
Estimated tax to be collected: $0.00
Order total: $84.12

Divide that by 12 quarts and it comes out to be $7.01 per quart. Not too shabby!

Now lets find some cheap filters and we'll be set!
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

I don't have Amazon Prime which is 84 bucks a year but if others do that is a good price. I think it is 51 bucks for the the non prime price.

I have done research on the filter and I am expecting Mann to come out with a more reasonable price since it looks like the other Mann filters they produce but without that plastic plug with O ring on the bottom.
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

I recently got Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 at what I think is a pretty good price.

2 cases (24 liters) for $232 shipped which is $9.66 a liter.

a case is $103.44 and shipping for 2 was $25.45

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fun2drive posted a place for a good price on Pennzoil back a bit which is cheaper. I almost went with Pennzoil but figured I'd use the Mobil for now but maybe I'll switch after I go through this.

I did my second oil change about 5000 miles since last. (10% oil life) Cut the filter open and was happy to see significantly less metal flakes than when I did the first at 1100 miles.
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

Has anybody come up with an adaptor yet to do away with the cartridge assembly and just use a regular $7 Walmart Fram filter? i remember the old Chevy truck I had used a can and cartridge arrangement, but most auto supplies had a simple aluminum machined part that bolted right up to the block and let you use a modern spin on oil filter. This really should not be a hard thing to come up with. $40-$50 for the Mopar filter versus $7 for a Fram at Walmart, two changes and you can pay for a pretty expensive kit to get rid of the headache..........

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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

I wrote to Jeep and they said that using another oil would not necessarily void your warranty but they suggested using an oil that had the recommended spec. From looking over on the TDI site I think that the Mercedes Benz spec is among the strictest so with this engine I would think that if you used the oils with the MB spec they would be hard pressed to void a warranty for an issue in the engine. However, I am not advising anyone to do this but tossing out as food for thought and possible feedback. I think if an oil has the same mil spec it would be OK. Or maybe I have it all wrong but if you can find an oil that meets all the specifications but is not certified I still believe that you would be OK as far as a warranty issue goes.

Further more in my experience at the point where your engine is going to be in need of warranty work assuming you end up getting a life time warranty the cost of repair will probably be greater than the value of the vehicle which means they will only pay up to the value of the vehicle and not the cost to replace the engine which I am sure is pretty substantial.
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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

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Has anybody come up with an adaptor yet to do away with the cartridge assembly and just use a regular $7 Walmart Fram filter? i remember the old Chevy truck I had used a can and cartridge arrangement, but most auto supplies had a simple aluminum machined part that bolted right up to the block and let you use a modern spin on oil filter. This really should not be a hard thing to come up with. $40-$50 for the Mopar filter versus $7 for a Fram at Walmart, two changes and you can pay for a pretty expensive kit to get rid of the headache..........

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I don't think we'll see any adaptors like that made for our trucks but if there were I don't think I'd use a Fram oil filter..

$28.00 for a filter from here is probably the best one can do (until if and when an aftermarket version is available) and if you buy several at a time it's worth it. I paid $41 for my first filter from the dealer parts dept but I wont be doing that any more:

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Re: First oil change – some info and comments

Shoestring,

Just what does that antique cartridge in a cannister offer that is so superior to a spin on type filter? Seems the rest of the automotive industry has gotten along with spin on filters for quite a while without any problems. There are even wonderful spin on fuel filter kits available to replace the cartridge systems too. Lots of them on Cummins and PS powered trucks use them regularly.

I don't have any allegiance to Fram. I was just using that as an example of an affordable convenient spin on filter that would be much easier and cheaper to change regularly than the arrangement currently in place. Seems like a nice modern vehicle could do without a 1940's oil filter arrangment at quadruple the cost of the alternative. I know the grade of oil has increased the price dramatically for these SFU oil changes, but I can get the oil and filter changed in the wife's Edge for less than half the price of the filter alone for this engine, and done in a few minutes without a lot of effort.

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Shoestring,

Just what does that antique cartridge in a cannister offer that is so superior to a spin on type filter? Seems the rest of the automotive industry has gotten along with spin on filters for quite a while without any problems. There are even wonderful spin on fuel filter kits available to replace the cartridge systems too. Lots of them on Cummins and PS powered trucks use them regularly.

I don't have any allegiance to Fram. I was just using that as an example of an affordable convenient spin on filter that would be much easier and cheaper to change regularly than the arrangement currently in place. Seems like a nice modern vehicle could do without a 1940's oil filter arrangment at quadruple the cost of the alternative. I know the grade of oil has increased the price dramatically for these SFU oil changes, but I can get the oil and filter changed in the wife's Edge for less than half the price of the filter alone for this engine, and done in a few minutes without a lot of effort.

Doug
The reason for the cannister filters is probably nothing more than to provide a profit center money grab for the stealerships.
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