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Re: Fog light bulb replacement

This is the correct invoice: my apologies
Order Details:

Code Item Qty Price: Grand Total
12834UNIX2-H11 H11 / H8 / H16 Philips X-treme Ultinon LED Bulb
1 $179.99 $179.99
DSC-36 15% Off Your Order [12834UNIX2-H11]
1 -$27.00 -$27.00

Subtotal: $152.99
Tax: $0.00
Shipping Cost: $0.00

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Re: Fog light bulb replacement

Further information for y'all:


700 lumen LED rating provides similar brightness to a standard 1200 lumen halogen bulb.
Instant On/Off - no delays
White 6000K colour temperature is perfect for color matching with HID and LED headlights
Up to +45% more light on the road than halogen bulbs
Provides maximum light efficiency without glare to other road users unlike lower cost alternatives
Patented AirFlux base design allows maximum cooling of the LED, to maintain highest light performance and long lifetime - NO FAN THAT CAN FAIL
Voltage: 12 V / Wattage: 9,3 W
12 year lifespan
Direct replacement for your H8 / H11 / H16 halogen bulbs
3 year warranty
Sold in pairs

Call me a troll all you want you're sarcasm isn't warranted.
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Old 02-04-2016, 07:37 PM
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Re: Fog light bulb replacement

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This is the correct invoice: my apologies
Order Details:

Code Item Qty Price: Grand Total
12834UNIX2-H11 H11 / H8 / H16 Philips X-treme Ultinon LED Bulb
1 $179.99 $179.99
DSC-36 15% Off Your Order [12834UNIX2-H11]
1 -$27.00 -$27.00

Subtotal: $152.99
Tax: $0.00
Shipping Cost: $0.00

oh ok its those ones I thought they may have had something new out there.

Those are rated at 700 Lumens per bulb the stock H11 halogens are rated at 1350 Lumens per bulb. Those have only about half the lumens of the stock halogens. that's why they call it a fog light bulb because it doesn't produce enough lumens to be able to call it a headlight like a stock halogen.

The stock HID headlights are rated at 4300k these LEDs are rated at 6000k so no they are not a "perfect" match to the headlights.

and no I'm not slapping myself for using the silverstars over these lol. Sadness you had me excited I thought they had something new out there oh well LEDs are changing fast should not be a whole lot longer until the next generation are out. I have tried various H11 halogen and LEDs and on the silverstars I stay until LED technology improves more
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Re: Fog light bulb replacement

You will be slapping your self when those Silverstars burn out. We all know how long they last. lol At $55.99 for a 2 pack there no bargen either...when I have a minuet I'll submit some pictures of my Ecodiesel with the Fogs on with and with out the headlights on.
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Re: Fog light bulb replacement

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700 lumen LED rating provides similar brightness to a standard 1200 lumen halogen bulb.
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Up to +45% more light on the road than halogen bulbs
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XenonDepot's claims don't even work on paper. Perhaps they've invented a new form of physics.

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Call me a troll all you want you're sarcasm isn't warranted.
Claiming you don't care about blinding oncoming traffic with your improperly cutoff LED fog beams and also that anyone choosing an alternative to your touted choice of LED retrofit must be "slap yourself" misguided is, ipso facto, trolling.
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Re: Fog light bulb replacement

Improperly cut off LED fog beams? Care to explain what that means Mr. Roadkill sir?
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Re: Fog light bulb replacement

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You will be slapping your self when those Silverstars burn out. We all know how long they last. lol At $55.99 for a 2 pack there no bargen either...when I have a minuet I'll submit some pictures of my Ecodiesel with the Fogs on with and with out the headlights on.
I don't need to see pictures I have tried those Philips LED in my Grand Cherokee and I sent them back just like every other H11 LED I have tried so far. staring at them and thinking they are bright is one thing actual usable light on the road is another. the numbers are the numbers, the luminous flux measure of light scale exists for a reason so people don't have to guess about the power of light, because everyone will have their own opinion. so being able to say those are 700LM and the stock halogen are 1350LM is a lot easier.

ya I keep hearing that about the silverstars burning out but my 2014 GC will be 3 years old in march and I currently have 32k miles on it and these silverstars went in shortly after I got it and they have not burned out yet. also they are $38 for a two pack, id be ok with that every few years.

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silverstars are not some grand great bulb just ones that are decent for whats out there and for what I have tried. I always seem to put them back in everytime I try something different. They will do until LED technology gets a little more efficient and we can have a truly plug and play CANBus support integrated, fanless LED that will give us at least as many lumens as the stock halogens. Maybe even more of a variety of color options so people don't need to change their 4300k HID headlight bulbs to match the 6000k LED standard. there are a few color tubes out there to change the 6000ks but more variety like HIDs have would be nice. I bet within a year we see a new crop of next generation LEDs that will be competitive as drop in replacements

if you are happy with those 700lm phillips you are the only one you have to please so that's all that maters. I was not impressed with them though, thank god all you got to do is throw stuff on your front porch and amazon comes and takes it back.
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Re: Fog light bulb replacement

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XenonDepot's claims don't even work on paper. Perhaps they've invented a new form of physics.


Claiming you don't care about blinding oncoming traffic with your improperly cutoff LED fog beams and also that anyone choosing an alternative to your touted choice of LED retrofit must be "slap yourself" misguided is, ipso facto, trolling.
Don't you love marketing and how they write that 700LM is similar to a 1200LM bulb. If I wanted to I could say my 1350LM halogen bulb is similar to a 50 Million LM stadium light but what meaning does that have where is the basis.

Also if you read their own fine print the H11 bulb is claimed as +5% and the H8 and H16 are claimed at +45% no basis for that anyway as you pointed out but its not really even the +45% on the H11. chek out the bar chart.

H11 Philips LED bulb | H16 Philips LED bulb | H8 Philips LED Fog bulb

I kinda expect deceptive write ups from bits of junk from no name places in China but a little disappointed to see things written like this from Phillips.
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Re: Fog light bulb replacement

no I have LED, which has each 30W. Maybe is the problem tat H11 has 55W. They are working only when engine is stoped. after starting 3 times flicker and then not working
I can try parallel Load resistor - but how many ohms?

No idea which resistor?
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Improperly cut off LED fog beams? Care to explain what that means Mr. Roadkill sir?
C.f. your own statement: "From time to time I do get flashed but that's just fine."
That's evidence of improper cutoff. If you don't understand the concept of cutoff (especially as it pertains to retrofits), you can google and learn. Proper cutoff really is a safety issue.

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I kinda expect deceptive write ups from bits of junk from no name places in China but a little disappointed to see things written like this from Phillips.
Yes. Furthermore, they tout "no fan" on these bulbs. Unlike incandescent filament-based bulbs (e.g. halogen) that have increased luminous efficiency if the filament temperature is increased, LEDs de-rate when the junctional temperature increases (as discussed in-depth here). In other words, the hotter the LED is the less light it will produce. The ~700 lm stat from the OEM is likely measured under best-case circumstances, and the output will be reduced as the LED heats up. Which, you know, it will do while it's turned on—LEDs aren't perfectly efficient at converting electricity to light. To be clear, a fan is not absolutely required (and moving parts are generally undesirable), but the the cooler the LED is the more light it will emit.

I love LED lighting; it's just not there yet for fog/headlamp retrofits. LED tech seems to be following a modified form of Moore's Law, so in a few generations retrofits will probably achieve legitimate parity with the stock halogens. Watch out for knockoff vendors who claim implausibly high luminous flux (i.e. lumens); a good rule of thumb is that if Philips or Cree have a part that could achieve that efficiency then it *might* be plausible that some random eBay crap could push something similar.

As silvermax pointed out: not even the high-end Philips LED bulbs can match the stock halogens in terms of light output.
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Maybe im reading wrong but this says 2400 lumens....not 700???
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Maybe im reading wrong but this says 2400 lumens....not 700???
Yes, KBCarStuff's site does say that, and if you look at the product image of the box on that site the box says "2400 lumen**". Gotta love the asterisk disclaimers, right? Furthermore, the Philips Ultinon is the global version of the product, whereas Philips X-tremeVision is the North American version. Does KBCarStuff regularly sell grey market products?

Here is Philips' datasheet for the export market Ultinon that KBCarStuff is selling. Page 2 says "2400 lumen halogen equivalent provides up to 45% more light on the road than standard halogen light" right next to the column that says "Lumens: 700 lm".

Ultinon box (global / grey market version):


X-tremeVision box (North American version, notice no claim of "2400 lumen**"):

I keep losing more respect for Philips as I learn more about their marketing of this product, and now I will think twice before ordering from KBCarStuff too.
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