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Old 11-11-2013, 12:17 PM
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Re: For those who are thinking about Bluespark...

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Look's like the scare tactic is working on you guys. No worries, just don't buy a chip.
I'm with you Zybane, I can't see how they'd be able to tell.
But I'll find out in another 4000kms when my rig goes in for it's 10,000km service, I'll be sure to let every one know if I loose my warranty.
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Old 11-11-2013, 01:39 PM
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Re: For those who are thinking about Bluespark...

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I'm with you Zybane, I can't see how they'd be able to tell.
But I'll find out in another 4000kms when my rig goes in for it's 10,000km service, I'll be sure to let every one know if I loose my warranty.
Doubtful they'll check just as a matter of course. It's not until you go in for a powertrain warranty claim that they'll pull the code and deny warranty coverage if they find evidence that there are mods. At least that's the way it's usually handled in the USA. Could be different in Oz...
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Re: For those who are thinking about Bluespark...

If true the programmers will find a way around it. Just like you can't jail break a iPhone or root an Android right? Corresponding are always one step ahead and find a way to flash back to stock undetected.
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Re: For those who are thinking about Bluespark...

Ya, I will run the jeep for a month or so to make sure everything is running fine and there are no large issues before putting on the bluespark.
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Old 11-11-2013, 06:50 PM
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Re: For those who are thinking about Bluespark...

Guys, keep in mind there are two different ways to track something like this.

1) check the ECU for an active tune.

Easily skirted with a piggyback device by just removing the device before going in for a warranty claim or service. If it's a tuned ECU, just flashing back to stock should do the trick unless they are checking the flash counter.

2) log performance data

This is NOT easily skirted. You guys make it sound like it takes a tremendous amount of engineering or hardware to accomplish this, but you could put together a solution for less than $5 in hardware. If they logged EVERYTHING your engine or transmission did, sure it would be complex and take a considerable amount of storage. But if all the log are are out of spec parameters, they need VERY little storage space. Think of it this way, if they were only logging the top 5 peak HP and torque instances to see if you'd tuned, they could fit all that in 8KB of space and still have tons of room left over. In comparison, a $5 1GB flash drive has about 1,000,000KB of space.

You are deluding yourself if you think this is all that hard or expensive for them to do

While I doubt you'd blow the engine unless you went crazy aggressive, there is a real possibility of running into transmission issues with much higher torque numbers. Remember, these trannies are rated for a certain amount of HP/torque they can handle, in fact the diesel and Hemi both use a different tranny from the V6 for this exact reason. And these transmissions are not cheap to fix or replace. The 7 spd in my current car runs 10k+ for replacement.

You can claim all day that it's no big deal and they would never do that, but it's all fun and games until you have a 10K transmission replacement the dealer won't cover. Go to any Audi forums and search for "TD1" and you'll see many instances of a car manufacturer denying warranty claims because of tunes, and they use a less robust system that's much easier to defeat...

"you gotta pay to play" is a quote used very often on the Audi forums as well, for this exact reason

For me, not worth the risk!
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Re: For those who are thinking about Bluespark...

Sure the transmission will have its limits and someone needs to find them. Allison in the Chevy is good for +100 HP beyond that and you run the risk of slipping 4th to 5th. So the limit of this transmission will be found and most will stay just under it some will roll the dice and go over. Like you said pay to play.
P.s. you can buy a beefed up Alison for around 3k so I can't seewhy these would be much more than that.
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The transmission in the diesel has already been vetted. It can handle a chip just fine.
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Re: For those who are thinking about Bluespark...

For those that don't want to take the risk, don't do it, I don't understand why you're so admit about talking everyone else out of doing it though? As for those that are going to do it, I can't wait to read your reviews. It's not something I plan on doing the first couple years but maybe after it starts getting a little boring, it is something I might look at depending on your success/failures. I salute your early adopters and wish you nothing but the best...
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It's not about taking people out of it, but the position that it's just an idle threat and they couldn't do what they claim is ridiculous. I have modded my cars and will again, but for the people reading this thread I feel it's important that they make the choice with the appropriate information, instead of being told it's fine and there are no risks.
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Re: For those who are thinking about Bluespark...

There really is no such thing as "no risk" at anything worthwhile doing in life. I've modded about every single car I've ever owned and never had a problem. My other car a Nissan GTR is highly modded and have had no issues with warranty work. They say the same disclaimers, and people have gotten new transmissions, new engines etc. One of the most modified cars on the planet in terms of percent of vehicles owned being modded.
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Re: For those who are thinking about Bluespark...

I was thinking of doing it, but at the moment I'm actually pretty impressed with how it feels stock. I will say that either 1)I'm getting used to how to drive it 2) after about 100 miles it got smoother and seems to have more power.
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Re: For those who are thinking about Bluespark...

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There really is no such thing as "no risk" at anything worthwhile doing in life. I've modded about every single car I've ever owned and never had a problem. My other car a Nissan GTR is highly modded and have had no issues with warranty work. They say the same disclaimers, and people have gotten new transmissions, new engines etc. One of the most modified cars on the planet in terms of percent of vehicles owned being modded.
Really? Your other car is a GTR and you've never had issues with warranty work? I take it you've never used the factory launch control feature
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