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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

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Found this on Amazon. I've used Castrol and Mobil-1 ESP on my other BMW and VW diesels before, but never tried Total. At $28.xx for a 5qt jug, and based off some great VW TDI and earlier Jeep GC Mercedes diesel UOA's, I'm going to try it on my new EcoDiesel.

Total is one of the top five oil companies in the world, and this stuff is made in France.

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Amazon.com: TOTAL 188058-3PK Quartz INEO Long Life 5W-30 Engine Oil - 5 Quart (Pack of 3): Automotive

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Thanks AirBull, my Dealer (also Ford) here in Australia used this on my first 10,000 klm service.

Total-EngineOils | Quartz INEO MC3 5W30

He says it;s what they use in some of the Euro spec fords as well.

The only real difference I can see is it specifies it for use with vehicles fitted with DPF's
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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

Saw an analysis from Ineo 5W30; didn't look too inspiring about the same makeup as EURO L; unless it has a PAO in the Base oil I can't see; however most C3 oils are Group III hydrocracked base Dino oil.

Still, run it analyze it. Show us the way.

BTW when MB was in bed with Chrysler the spec read in manuals, "MS-11106 ( MB 229.51)" ; when they companies divorced so did 229.51 from the Chrysler manuals. Much as many may argue, they are both same type of oil. Not many vehicles require MS-11106 vs millions worldwide require MB 229.51, economies of scale.




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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

So this showed up on the Ram 1500 forum the other day. Can't find the new datasheet online yet, but this PDF datasheet dated 7/2015 was emailed to one of their members from Total.

Total Quartz Ineo MC3 5w-30 lists MS-11106 now.

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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

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So this showed up on the Ram 1500 forum the other day. Can't find the new datasheet online yet, but this PDF datasheet dated 7/2015 was emailed to one of their members from Total.

Total Quartz Ineo MC3 5w-30 lists MS-11106 now.

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Cheers MBDiesel, as posted I'm running this already, with Total adding the MS-11106 endorsement should make the purists happy

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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

my dealer charges $72 for 8 quarts of the Mopar oil and $62 for the filter and $10 for labor. I don't think the delta is enough to try alternatives. What do dealers around you charge?
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my dealer charges $72 for 8 quarts of the Mopar oil and $62 for the filter and $10 for labor. I don't think the delta is enough to try alternatives. What do dealers around you charge?
I've gotten my oil changes down to $88 using the Total oil and a Mopar filter sourced from a dealer store on eBay. I don't even consider the dealer an option since I'm not convinced the diesel tech does the oil changes and I can do mine in the time it takes to drive to the dealer, wait and drive back.

It's one of the easier vehicles I've changed the oil on behind my Benz which doesn't even require getting under the car if you don't want to.
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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

I have a problem with using their MC3 as opposed to their Long Life, and here's why. It's the same thing I noticed with Kendall's GT-1 and to me, it's illogical. If Chrysler's MS-11106 is this bad, I won't use it.

I'm coming from a long line of VW TDI's and one BMW diesel engine, so I've been keeping up with all these oil specs for the last decade plus.

See my chart below; the Long Life has the VW 504.00/507.00 spec, but the MC3 only has VW's 502.00/505.01.

We had a 2005 Passat TDI that had no SCR or DEF, and it required VW 502.00/505.01. The new Passat TDI that came out in 2012 required SCR and used DEF, so it now has a DPF. We had a 2013 TDI and now a 2015 TDI Passat, as well as also a 2012 Touareg TDI with a V6 diesel comparable to these VM V6 diesels in the Ram 1500 truck and Jeep Grand Cherokee, and they all have SCR, use DEF, and burn soot in the DPF.


VW mandates their VW 504.00/507.00 for these current common rail diesel engines that use SCR, DEF, and have a DPF. If I couldn't use MC3 in my late model VW diesel (TDI,) than what about the BMW LL-04 and Mercedes MB 229.51 believes they are interchangeable and/or comparable, I wonder?

I spoke with an engineer from Total last week and said they were going to update their MC3 label with the Chrysler MS-11106 spec. I asked him what's the difference in the MC3 that prevents VW from approving it with their VW 504.00/507.00 spec? Porsche (part of the VW auto group) C30 is basically their similar, comparable spec.


As for the Chrysler MS-11106 spec, I would not want to run the MC3 with only a VW 502.00/505.01 spec on it when the Long Life with the VW 504.00/507.00 is available. I'm certain that the Total Long Life 5w-30 is absolutely fine (if not preferred,) to run in my Jeep(/Ram) EcoDiesel despite it not having the MS-11106 spec that Chrysler calls for in these motors, but without the Chrysler spec endorsement, technically I would be doing so at my own peril, potentially putting my warranty at risk.



I'd really love to see the Chrysler MS-111006 spec on the Ineo Long Life 5w-30 along with the VW 504.00/507.00 rating, as this oil is interchangeable with our VW TDI's (as well as Audi and Porsche,) and as per the spec, I can only infer that it is a better oil for these modern diesels with SCR, DEF, and DPF's than an oil with the VW 502.00/505.01.

Long story short, I wouldn't reccommend using an oil with the Chrysler MS-11106 if it only had a VW 502.00/505.01, and not the VW 504.00/507.00 spec. What does VW know that the rest of the industry isn't acknowledging?


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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

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Note that it does NOT meet Chrysler's MS-11106 spec althought it does meet ACEA C3 and MB 229.51.

While under warranty, it is wisest to continue to use genuine Mopar parts and Chrysler recommended oils and fluids. And if you do it yourself, keep all documentation .
Good advice here. I know that oils and filters for the Eco Diesel are hard to find, and expensive when you do. And they are of limited type and brand. It's one of many reasons I went with the HEMI instead. But regardless, I would only use the Mopar fluids that the manual recommends until you're out of warranty.

The last thing you want or need is to have a severe internal engine problem, and have the dealer start making noise about improper oil. And keeping all sales receipts and documentation of the purchase, along with the dates, is good advice as well.

My wife made a file for our Grand Cherokee. Every time I purchase oil and filters from Wal-Mart, the receipt gets copied, stapled to the original, and goes into the file. (The ink in cash register receipts becomes illegible, and disappears over time.)

So I staple the original receipt to the copy, and save both. That way if down the road I run into any difficulty, I've got proof of what I purchased, (Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic 5W-20), and WHEN I purchased it. I even went as far as to snap a cell phone photo of the oil container itself, and print out a copy of it as well. That way there can be zero argument about using improper fluids, if I should encounter a problem down the road.

Go with the Mopar recommended oil regardless of the cost. Save money somewhere else. Don't give them any avenue to go down, that will give you problems with warranty, should you have any grief with your new Diesel.
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Makes sense to use Mopar oil to hold the soot EGR brings into the cylinders.
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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

Why VW 504.00/507.00 is superior to their VW 502.00/505.01, and why if an oil otherwise approved by Chrysler's MS-11106 rating doesn't have VW 504.00/507.00, I'm not using it.

Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 is both Chrysler MS-11106 and VW 504.00/507.00 rated, as is the Pennzoil Euro L 5w30, but watch out for some of those others out there that are not.

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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

Y'all bring up a point. I'll shoot an email to Total asking about MS-11106 on the Long Life oil.

Could be that they just haven't compared the MS-11106 specification to the Long Life product, like they did with MC3. If that's the case, how many other oils technically meet MS-11106 but the manufacturer hasn't done the analysis?

Looking at the datasheets, the oil specs are very similar. Long Life has a 0.8 lower TBN and is slightly less viscous than MC3.
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