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Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

Found this on Amazon. I've used Castrol and Mobil-1 ESP on my other BMW and VW diesels before, but never tried Total. At $28.xx for a 5qt jug, and based off some great VW TDI and earlier Jeep GC Mercedes diesel UOA's, I'm going to try it on my new EcoDiesel.

Total is one of the top five oil companies in the world, and this stuff is made in France.

Total Quartz Ineo Long Life 5w30

Amazon.com: TOTAL 188058-3PK Quartz INEO Long Life 5W-30 Engine Oil - 5 Quart (Pack of 3): Automotive

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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

Some jeep garages here in Germany use this Total Ineo ACEA C3 oil, so my 2014 WK2 runs with it .
Just for your information: for an oil service on the 3.0 l Diesel in a Jeep garage in Germany I paid USD 255.- for the oil. The Filter is another USD 99.- (19% VAT included ).
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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

Note that it does NOT meet Chrysler's MS-11106 spec althought it does meet ACEA C3 and MB 229.51.

While under warranty, it is wisest to continue to use genuine Mopar parts and Chrysler recommended oils and fluids. And if you do it yourself, keep all documentation.
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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

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Note that it does NOT meet Chrysler's MS-11106 spec althought it does meet ACEA C3 and MB 229.51.

While under warranty, it is wisest to continue to use genuine Mopar parts and Chrysler recommended oils and fluids. And if you do it yourself, keep all documentation.
Chrysler's MS-11106 spec basically defers to Mercedes MB 229.51. Current Audi and VW TDI's use VW 504.00 / 507.00, and Porsche calls it C30. BMW refers to it as LL-04.

One thing to note is, this coming from a longtime VW TDI owner/fan, VW 502.00 / 505.01 is an older VW spec for the previous PD diesels in the 2000's, and is NOT approved for their newer TDI's with the HPFP running 2 bar (29,000 psi) piezo injectors; that's VW 504.00 / 507.00. I'm not using any oil unless it's also VW 507 approved, NOT VW 502.00/505.00

Total Quartz Ineo Long Life is ACEA C3 and MB 229.51 approved. If it ACEA C3 and MB 229.51, it (should) meet Chrysler's MS-11106 rating.

Attached is a formal reply from Chrysler about MS-11106 (basically saying it defers to MB 229.51,) posted by another user on another forum.
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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

From reading that document, it appears that Chrysler has its own testing procedures. HOWEVER, and more importantly, any oil manufacturer would be happy to add MS-11106 to their list of approvals IF and I say IF their oil(s) were approved by Chrysler.

In other words, if it doesn't MEET Chryslers MS-11106, it is NOT a Chrysler approved engine lubricant. I checked on the Total MSDS/Spec sheets section on their corporate website and FCA or Chrysler MS-11106 is not mentioned anywhere. You will see MB, BMW, Porsche and VW approvals mentioned....but not FCA.

And just because that document mentions and refers (not defers) to ACEA and MB it doesn't mean that MS-11106 is the same spec as MB, as the WK2 JGC uses a VM-Motori engine NOT an MB sourced motor.

Section 8. of the document (Dated 11/27/2013) actually refers to ENGINEERING APPROVED source list for lubricants.
Exxonmobil
Valvoline
Shell
Petronas
As being the only approved sources as of that date.

Here is a linky to an earlier post regarding the difference between MS-11106 and the MB spec

MS11106 - Attached
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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

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From reading that document, it appears that Chrysler has its own testing procedures. HOWEVER, and more importantly, any oil manufacturer would be happy to add MS-11106 to their list of approvals IF and I say IF their oil(s) were approved by Chrysler.

In other words, if it doesn't MEET Chryslers MS-11106, it is NOT a Chrysler approved engine lubricant. I checked on the Total MSDS/Spec sheets section on their corporate website and FCA or Chrysler MS-11106 is not mentioned anywhere. You will see MB, BMW, Porsche and VW approvals mentioned....but not FCA.

And just because that document mentions and refers (not defers) to ACEA and MB it doesn't mean that MS-11106 is the same spec as MB, as the WK2 JGC uses a VM-Motori engine NOT an MB sourced motor.

Section 8. of the document (Dated 11/27/2013) actually refers to ENGINEERING APPROVED source list for lubricants.
Exxonmobil
Valvoline
Shell
Petronas
As being the only approved sources as of that date.

Here is a linky to an earlier post regarding the difference between MS-11106 and the MB spec

MS11106 - Attached
Color me not terribly impressed with Chrysler's MS-11106 spec, and I'll cite their approval of Kendall's GT-1 5w30 Euro formula, as an example. In order to meet VW's 507.00 spec (as I referenced earlier and above,) you have to first have a 5w30 viscosity. If you click the product PDF page, it says that it's GT-1 5w30 oil is only VW 505.01 / 505.00 / 502.00 approved. That's the previous oil used on VW's PumpeDiesels TDI's w/o DPF's. No way I run an oil in the EcoDiesel that isn't simultaneously VW 507 approved. Maybe this irk is more indicative of Kendall than Chrysler's spec, but they apparently approved it. Usually the BMW LL04, MB 229.51, and VW 507 go hand in hand.

Phillips 66 Lubricants: World-class products and services

On one line it says the below, and then yet somehow it still has an MB 229.51 rating?! The BlueTEC is their modern common rail diesel with HPFP!

"Mercedes-Benz automobiles, diesel engines except most BlueTEC® diesel engineswith the OM 642 engine, and most pre-2011 model-year gasoline engines."

I sent an email to Pierre at Total and we'll see what they have to say; until then, Mobil 1's ESP 5w30 seems like the best on out there that actually carries Chrysler's MS-11106 spec. If you have a Porsche dealer nearby, you should be able to get M1 5w30 ESP there as it also carries a Porsche C30 approval rating. (Actually had one Porsche dealer tell me that they just stick in regular M1 5w30, confirmed by one of the service writers; called Porsche and told them about that.)
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Mobil 1's ESP 5w30 seems like the best on out there that actually carries Chrysler's MS-11106 spec. If you have a Porsche dealer nearby, you should be able to get M1 5w30 ESP there as it also carries a Porsche C30 approval rating.
If you're in the USA, also check NAPA Auto Parts. My local NAPA has Mobil 1 5W30 ESP in stock for a price comparable to online vendors. Shipping vs tax makes it a wash.

Mobil 1 - ESP - 5W30 - 1 Qt

Their interface is clunky, though. I had to manually try changing "Your Store" to several stores in my area before I found one that had it in stock. I think that one is the "warehouse" retail store for my city that stocks a wider range of products that they can distribute to the other local NAPA stores. When I bought it I had to wait about 10 minutes for them to pull the oil bottles for me from "in the back".
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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

Like others on here, I've been sourcing my Pennzoil Ultra Euro L from Amazon in the 6 packs. Currently priced at $43.25 shipped for 6qts, not bad at a few cents over $7.00 per qt including shipping.
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Like others on here, I've been sourcing my Pennzoil Ultra Euro L from Amazon in the 6 packs. Currently priced at $43.25 shipped for 6qts, not bad at a few cents over $7.00 per qt including shipping.
Yeah, but it's Pennzoil. I've heard their new 5w30 Ultra is good stuff, but they earned their reputation and I just have hard time going that way with others readily available. Maybe, and I mean maybe, if they gave it to me for free I'd use it, but I'd still have to think about it.
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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

Yeah the "Old" Pennzoil had a bad rep but Shell bought Quaker/Pennzoil back in 2002. Definitely improved the product since then
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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

Spoke with a product engineer from Total here in the US today, and he agreed that their 5w30 Ineo Longlife should otherwise meet the Chrysler spec as it meets the MB 229.51. He also said that he will speak to his counterparts in France (where Total is headquartered,) about getting the Chrysler MS-11106 spec added to their label as he believes that makes good sense.

He mentioned that specific info on the Chrysler spec was hard to come by, so I forwarded him the nice PDF that the previous user on this and the other Ram 1500 diesel forum scanned and posted, (so thank you to that user!.)

Pending formal approval of the spec, this will be a great oil to use in all our EcoDiesel motors that can be had relatively inexpensively via Amazon.
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Re: Great price on EcoDiesel ACEA C3 approved oil...

I bought the 3 pack and will use the rest of my Pennzoil then move on to this Total. It is all what you are comfortable with. I plan to do another Blackstone on my oil next change which will put me just short of 28K miles...
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