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Re: How to delete DEF injection with no software/hardware

Hey all you DEF defeating dudes... Selective catalytic reduction is a good thing! You should think twice before attempting to disable it...

"EPA set the emissions standards to improve air quality. NOx and PM emissions are associated with a wide range of health problems including respiratory and cardiovascular diseases, aggravation of asthma, acute respiratory symptoms, chronic bronchitis and decreased lung function. The EPA estimates that the emission standards will prevent 8,300 premature deaths, more than 9,500 hospitalizations and 1.5 million work days lost due to illness, saving approximately $70.3 billion by 2030.

SCR is a so-called "aftertreatment" technology, which means that it destroys harmful emissions after combustion. This gives manufacturers greater scope to tune engines to improve fuel efficiency and increase power. Owners of SCR vehicles enjoy greater reliability and longer oil change intervals, which add up to impressive operating cost savings over the life of the vehicle."

Defeating DEF injection is just plain wrong.

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Hey all you DEF defeating dudes... Selective catalytic reduction is a good thing! You should think twice before attempting to disable it...

"EPA set the emissions standards to improve air quality. NOx and PM emissions are associated with a wide range of health problems including respiratory and cardiovascular diseases, aggravation of asthma, acute respiratory symptoms, chronic bronchitis and decreased lung function. The EPA estimates that the emission standards will prevent 8,300 premature deaths, more than 9,500 hospitalizations and 1.5 million work days lost due to illness, saving approximately $70.3 billion by 2030.

SCR is a so-called "aftertreatment" technology, which means that it destroys harmful emissions after combustion. This gives manufacturers greater scope to tune engines to improve fuel efficiency and increase power. Owners of SCR vehicles enjoy greater reliability and longer oil change intervals, which add up to impressive operating cost savings over the life of the vehicle."

Defeating DEF injection is just plain wrong.
Lol
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Wow...such an intelligent reply. I rest my case.
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Wow...such an intelligent reply. I rest my case.
I already know your stance. Not wasting my energy to debate it with you.
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Good for you...it would not be much of a debate...
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Good for you...it would not be much of a debate...
Like I said before. Lol.
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Re: How to delete DEF injection with no software/hardware

tell me jim74074 why are the people that are trying to do the correct thing with the environment, get charged an arm and a leg trying to do their part? DEF and any cost of repairs to a DEF system on any vehicle should be a direct tax deduction at the end of the year. My previous vehicle was a hybrid, the hybrid part of the vehicle would cost me thousands to repair after warranty. I got rid of it before that happened.
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Kudos for trying to do the right thing for cleaner air! My kids and yours will benefit. But lets be clear...we all could have saved money up front by taking the no-DEF V8. That cost difference would eventually disappear with more fuel being burned (and more emissions) but we all opted for the 3.0L (and we are happier for it). The cost of DEF fluid is an extremely small recurring added cost to owning a Diesel these days. All of us who paid extra for this engine should have known about this technology and the costs (even though we are all learning how to manage DEF fluid levels and freshness). It seems silly to me to disable a system that is ultimately good for us and adds such a small incremental cost to our Jeep.

There is no defense for poorly engineered systems (if that what some are experiencing) and Jeep should address any issue that causes heartburn. I think tax incentives would be an awesome way to incentivize use of green technology but we may have to wait till hell freezes over before congress agrees on anything. Cheers.
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Kudos for trying to do the right thing for cleaner air! My kids and yours will benefit. But lets be clear...we all could have saved money up front by taking the no-DEF V8. That cost difference would eventually disappear with more fuel being burned (and more emissions) but we all opted for the 3.0L (and we are happier for it). The cost of DEF fluid is an extremely small recurring added cost to owning a Diesel these days. All of us who paid extra for this engine should have known about this technology and the costs (even though we are all learning how to manage DEF fluid levels and freshness). It seems silly to me to disable a system that is ultimately good for us and adds such a small incremental cost to our Jeep.

There is no defense for poorly engineered systems (if that what some are experiencing) and Jeep should address any issue that causes heartburn. I think tax incentives would be an awesome way to incentivize use of green technology but we may have to wait till hell freezes over before congress agrees on anything. Cheers.
By the time you process the DEF, package it, ship it. .. the effects on the environment are a moot point.
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If you could somehow prove that statement, I would agree with you.
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Re: How to delete DEF injection with no software/hardware

My Jeep has been in the shop since July 1st for DEF related issues. I'd delete it in a heartbeat if possible. I can drive the Jeep or my older 7.3 litre diesel truck with zero emission controls. If the Jeep doesn't run because of the POS SCR system and I'm driving my older vehicle instead, how am I saving the environment? Honestly, this EPA stuff is bullsh☆t. I'm going to make my third payment since it has been in the shop due to this crap. Sorry, but that's my experience.
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