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JTS: What you explain you want out of the JGC is not what the diesel is for.
From your performance car mentality you should go with the 5.7L Hemi or the SRT with the 6.4L Hemi. Depends how much room is in your wallet.
HEMI is way to go. But what pick up should get for diesel Ford, Dodge or Chevy?

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Re: Is the Ecodiesel fun to drive?

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HEMI is way to go. But what pick up should get for diesel Ford, Dodge or Chevy?
Well I like the Ford with the new Diesel Ford produced or the Dodge. I do not trust GM's quality control.
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Re: Is the Ecodiesel fun to drive?

One other thing that I will add to the discussion is that I went out searching for a deal for my wife's new car one early Saturday morning. I had looked around online and called a few dealers so I had a schedule and about 5 dealers I was going to visit. So I took the title to my 2014 Cruze Diesel with me and a checkbook ready to do business. I had also already had my Cruze appraised at CarMax so I knew what it was worth. I was willing to take either the Hemi or the Eco-D. My primary goal was to get the most off MSRP. I was fairly flexible on the specification with just a few rules. No black, no cloth or tan interior, must have panoramac sunroof and BT and other luxury items. I didn't bother to research the various packages. It was too complicated!

What I found was due to what I assume was low demand due to high diesel prices I was only able to get only $2.5-4K off a Hemi version and I found discounts from $6.5K up to $10K off the eco-diesels with plenty to chose from. So this made the diesel the same cost or even less than the Hemi even though the MSRP was much higher on the Eco-D. I also know that some day when I go to sell this thing, and fuel prices are high again, that the Eco-D will have a resale value several thousand dollars higher than a Hemi.

So for me, I bought a 2014 GC Summit Eco-D with every option except 4x4, with 4k miles as it was the sales manager's loaner for $10K off MSRP. It also included a $500 metallic tint job which is something I would have done the first day anyways. They stiffed me by $500 on the trade-in. I also loved the color and option package. The only option I would not have paid for is that dumb CD player (anyone want it?). Lastly I was home by 1pm!

I'm not certain that I would have paid an extra $3500 or whatever for the Eco-D as the pay back on that thing is tough to get. But when you buy it for less than the Hemi, you know it's going to have much higher resale value, and since we are averaging 27mpg mostly in town driving, well I think I scored!

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Re: Is the Ecodiesel fun to drive?

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I do believe that the Jeep is a more capable offroader than the later model year T-regs but as far as a road machine, it doesn't compare in my opinion.
The current diesel T-req is nowhere near the first diesels, back when they were putting the V-10 diesel in them. Those were more of a T-rex.

Too bad Audi needed the diesels for their LeMans races.

A 5 litre or so modern turbodiesel in the GC would be just the ticket for an all around vehicle.
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Re: Is the Ecodiesel fun to drive?

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One other thing that I will add to the discussion is that I went out searching for a deal for my wife's new car one early Saturday morning. I had looked around online and called a few dealers so I had a schedule and about 5 dealers I was going to visit. So I took the title to my 2014 Cruze Diesel with me and a checkbook ready to do business. I had also already had my Cruze appraised at CarMax so I knew what it was worth. I was willing to take either the Hemi or the Eco-D. My primary goal was to get the most off MSRP. I was fairly flexible on the specification with just a few rules. No black, no cloth or tan interior, must have panoramac sunroof and BT and other luxury items. I didn't bother to research the various packages. It was too complicated!

What I found was due to what I assume was low demand due to high diesel prices I was only able to get only $2.5-4K off a Hemi version and I found discounts from $6.5K up to $10K off the eco-diesels with plenty to chose from. So this made the diesel the same cost or even less than the Hemi even though the MSRP was much higher on the Eco-D. I also know that some day when I go to sell this thing, and fuel prices are high again, that the Eco-D will have a resale value several thousand dollars higher than a Hemi.

So for me, I bought a 2014 GC Summit Eco-D with every option except 4x4, with 4k miles as it was the sales manager's loaner for $10K off MSRP. It also included a $500 metallic tint job which is something I would have done the first day anyways. They stiffed me by $500 on the trade-in. I also loved the color and option package. The only option I would not have paid for is that dumb CD player (anyone want it?). Lastly I was home by 1pm!

I'm not certain that I would have paid an extra $3500 or whatever for the Eco-D as the pay back on that thing is tough to get. But when you buy it for less than the Hemi, you know it's going to have much higher resale value, and since we are averaging 27mpg mostly in town driving, well I think I scored!

Good Luck!
Apparently the price dictates how fun the vehicle is.
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Re: Is the Ecodiesel fun to drive?

Fun in our Overland Diesel?
Absolutely! We tow a travel trailer with it, been off road in it, regularly cruise Texas roads at 75/80mph and get GREAT mileage!

Torque, torque, torque and COMFORTABLE!
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Re: Is the Ecodiesel fun to drive?

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The current diesel T-req is nowhere near the first diesels, back when they were putting the V-10 diesel in them. Those were more of a T-rex.

Too bad Audi needed the diesels for their LeMans races.

A 5 litre or so modern turbodiesel in the GC would be just the ticket for an all around vehicle.
You're right about the V-10's. I was referring to the fact that VW stopped selling the Touareg with air suspension and lockers in 2010. As far as racing an SRT against a V6TDI. No contest. The Jeep will tear the doors off most anything out there. Put it up to a Porsche Cayenne Twin Turbo, that I'd like to see.
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Re: Is the Ecodiesel fun to drive?

If you want to accelerate as fast as you can the gas engines will really be the best. They are made to rev and they can rev over 5252 RPM where high end torque amplifies horsepower (reason why little 1.6 Honda engines could make the magical 100 hp / liter and outperform 20% larger displacement engines without forced induction - but you had to rev those engines to use that power).

Ford had a wonderfully misleading commercial where they raced via the clock the new '15 2.7 Turbo "Eco or Boost" F150 versus a '15 Silverado 1500 5.3 and the '15 Ram EcoDiesel 1500 with all trucks pulling the exact same loaded trailer up a long incline with an cowboy's voice narrating the commercial. The F150 decimated everything by a large margin showing how high RPM torque can make great pulling power. However that commercial was also interesting as Ford refused to provide MPG performance for the runs. And that is the crux - gassers can perform great but they cannot touch the efficiency of a diesel under load. For instance Motor Trend has a great article calling out the 2.7 F150 Eco or Boost about never getting close to EPA rated on that truck even when they were light footed. Over real world driving it got mid teens combined and low 20's highway. As the Eco or Boost can run regular gas but they recommend silver that was also not ntoed in the commercial - which grade gas they were running in the F150. That would affect the cost each vehicle used to make those runs (which adds up over 1,000s of miles driven). With diesel fuel's superior energy density (~20-25% better than gas) and the ability to make maximum useful torque at much lower RPM (< 4k RPM) - it creates a huge advantage in power efficiency (at the expense of maximum power).

I guess the moral of the story is you can't have booth as Ford likes to advertise with a name like EcoBoost (reason why I note it as Eco or Boost). Remember the GM Ecotec engines? They had nothing of the sort and were a simple marketing gimmic to make people think 20 year old engine technology was actually start of the art efficiency or performance (GM's $.05 answer to proven real engineered engine efficiency and performance improvement technologies such a VTEC or MiTEC).
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Re: Is the Ecodiesel fun to drive?

I really like our EcoDiesel Overland, but then I've been a Diesel nut for decades. This is my 5th diesel auto plus a couple diesel pickups. My Dmax Chevy has a 90 gallon auxiliary tank with pump and hose I can fill both vehicles with out in the boonies.

While test driving, I thought both the 5.7 hemi and 3.0 EcoD were good. Both out performed the 3.6 V6. Didn't get a chance to try the 6.4 SRT

I consider the EcoDiesel to be a good partner to my Dmax Chevy!!
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Re: Is the Ecodiesel fun to drive?

I enjoy driving ours.
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Re: Is the Ecodiesel fun to drive?

Thanks for all the input guys. The reason I keep the more efficient diesel in the back of my mind is because no matter what I do I cant stop paying attention to fuel economy on every car we own lol. I have a mpg tracker on my iphone and typically have the computer in our dashes showing mpg. I can afford gas for any of the 3 variants I am interested in so its not really a money thing. I currently have my manual TL Type S and daily drive my older 04 Jeep Overland with the thirsty 4.7 HO motor. So even if I went to a new SRT that thing should be equivalent or even slightly better on fuel than my corrent Overland. I think it would be cool to be able to get the kind of fuel economy that the Diesel gets in a SUV, but then there is that other side of me that loves performance as well. Whatever vehicle I get will be replacing both of my current vehicles so I will be going from two to one vehicle. Thats why I think if I have one with tons of power, but can be used year round and still have a little room for the family that would be awesome.
Still a tough decision and like some of you have stated I think the best way is to go drive one.
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