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Old 06-12-2014, 05:20 PM
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Just filled up with Off Road Diesel

I am pissed. The station advertised diesel on their sign and had a multi grade pump with 2 handles...one for gas, one for diesel. The price was the same as any other station in the area. I was passing through so I was unaware. After filling up, I noticed a very small label that looks like the normal "ULSD on road diesel" sticker...but said "not on road"...one little word "not". I immediately called the Mississippi Dept of Commerce to document it and turn them in. In 20 years of operating diesel cars and trucks, I've NEVER seen off road diesel sold at the automobile gas pump like this. I suspect the station is pocketing the additional profit from evading road taxes.

Now I have to run several tanks through to get the die out according to the guy I spoke with. I'm documented if its an issue but good grief what a hassle. At least it was ULSD mandated for 2011 and later engines.

So...read the label closely when using pumps at lesser known stations.
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Re: Just filled up with Off Road Diesel

Was the fuel actually red, or did they have the wrong label on there?

I'm not condoning the use of red diesel in highway vehicles, but has anyone ever had or heard of someone having their passenger vehicle tank dipped by the authorities? I've been driving diesel cars almost exclusively for years and have never been dipped. Always hearing of the semis getting checked but never smaller vehicles.
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Just filled up with Off Road Diesel

In the same boat - having driven diesel for years, never had my fuel/tank checked, but there is always a first. That being said, it's more likely that the D.O.T will not. On a over-the road tractor the fuel tanks are easy access - on our CRDs they're anything but, with fuel filler necks being twisted and bent and a plethora of convoluted ways in order to fit inside the chassis.


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Re: Just filled up with Off Road Diesel

I never saw the fuel. I assume since the sticker was fairly new and said ULSD, it was probably off road fuel. The authorities can verify it. I am not worried about being dipped. Heck, nobody would guess its a diesel anyways. The dye sticking to engine parts is a myth. As long as the tank is run empty and clean (non-dyed) diesel is topped off a few times, its undetectable except perhaps in the fuel filter element.

I was on my last 30 miles and away from home so I choose an off brand station. Next time I'll read the label closely.
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Re: Just filled up with Off Road Diesel

You'll be seeing red for a LONG time. It took about a dozen refills on my big truck before the red was dissapated enough to be unnoticeable. Mechanic put about 50-60 gallons in my tanks(150gal x 2) when he drained and cleaned them after getting badly contaminated fuel. I thought the fuel would never be green-ish/blue-ish again.
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Re: Just filled up with Off Road Diesel

The trick is to not refill until as near empty as possible. This reduces mixing of old and new fuel. But yes, I'm expecting 3 to 4 tanks minimum if I can run it low enough each time.

Does anyone know if running our VMs bone dry creates a hard start situation? I know the old mechanically injected diesels require bleeding if run dry. It seems a common rail would pickup new fuel and reprime without issue. I'm thinking about siphoning my tank as low as possible, grab a 5 gal can of clean diesel then run it until it quits, refuel from the can and drive to a service station to refill. I can burn the old dyed fuel in my tractor.
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Re: Just filled up with Off Road Diesel

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The trick is to not refill until as near empty as possible. This reduces mixing of old and new fuel. But yes, I'm expecting 3 to 4 tanks minimum if I can run it low enough each time.

Does anyone know if running our VMs bone dry creates a hard start situation? I know the old mechanically injected diesels require bleeding if run dry. It seems a common rail would pickup new fuel and reprime without issue. I'm thinking about siphoning my tank as low as possible, grab a 5 gal can of clean diesel then run it until it quits, refuel from the can and drive to a service station to refill. I can burn the old dyed fuel in my tractor.
This is what the Diesel Supplement says"
Priming If The Engine Has Run Out Of Fuel
WARNING!
Do not open the high pressure fuel system with the
engine running. Engine operation causes high fuel
pressure. High pressure fuel spray can cause serious
injury or death.
1. Add a substantial amount of fuel to the tank, approxi-
mately 2 to 5 gal (8L to 19L).
2. Press ignition switch twice without your foot on brake
to put vehicle in Run position. This will activate the in
tank fuel pump for approximately 30 seconds. Repeat
this process twice.
3. Start the engine using the “Normal Starting” proce-
dure. Refer to “Starting Procedures” in “Starting and
Operating” for further information
CAUTION!
The starter motor will engage for approximately 30
seconds at a time. Allow two minutes between the
cranking intervals.
NOTE:
The engine may run rough until the air is forced
from all the fuel lines
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Re: Just filled up with Off Road Diesel

Thank you sir! That is good info. I will purge mine this weekend. Sounds like it does have to crank an extended time but at least I don't have to crack open an injector line or anything.
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Re: Just filled up with Off Road Diesel

Personally I wouldn't stress out.

No DOT officer is even going to know they Jeep makes a diesel.

The only time I've heard of folks getting checked is places like parking lots of cattle auctions where lots of farmers congregate.


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Re: Just filled up with Off Road Diesel

In 6 years of driving diesel Jeeps, the only pump I've see with off road fuel was a separate island off on the side that sold B99 for highway use and B99 for off road use only and it was marked as off road in big giant letters.
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In 6 years of driving diesel Jeeps, the only pump I've see with off road fuel was a separate island off on the side that sold B99 for highway use and B99 for off road use only and it was marked as off road in big giant letters.
Exactly! IMO this company was selling untaxed diesel at full price and pocketing the difference. The Mississippi Dept of Revenue can sort that out with them. I'm just pissed that I was put in the (unlikely) position of breaking a serious law with a $1000 fine and even potentially voiding my warranty. Neither is likely but still it was enough to worry me.
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The trick is to not refill until as near empty as possible. This reduces mixing of old and new fuel. But yes, I'm expecting 3 to 4 tanks minimum if I can run it low enough each time.

Does anyone know if running our VMs bone dry creates a hard start situation? I know the old mechanically injected diesels require bleeding if run dry. It seems a common rail would pickup new fuel and reprime without issue. I'm thinking about siphoning my tank as low as possible, grab a 5 gal can of clean diesel then run it until it quits, refuel from the can and drive to a service station to refill. I can burn the old dyed fuel in my tractor.
I would not run a newer diesel out of fuel. Most of them use fuel to cushion the injectors to quiet then down. I wouldn't worry about it anyway. I have had dot try to check fuel and he gave up cause he couldn't get the tube through the filter neck. I want about to tell him the easy way cause I was using off road fuel.
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