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Re: K&N Cold Air Intake (CAI) 63-1570

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Yes! I couldn't agree more!!!!

The fine dirt particulate that a K&N oiled cotton gauze air filter allows to pass is not good for any engine! Don't buy into K&N's marketing BS!

A paper or synthetic media cone filter would be a much better choice for CAI air filtration.
I wonder if AFE sells their Pro Guard 7 filters separately. Then, albeit an expensive option, one could buy the K&N setup and get the IC pipe, and the filter from AFE, and have a best of both worlds scenario.

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Re: K&N Cold Air Intake (CAI) 63-1570

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I wonder if AFE sells their Pro 7R filters separately. Then, albeit an expensive option, one could buy the K&N setup and get the IC pipe, and the filter from AFE, and have a best of both worlds scenario.
You are thinking exactly what i am thinking. I would "think" there will be some benefits of the IC Pipe vs the stock IC Pipe. Afterall, I didn't buy a Jeep to go fast. My goal is to gain a couple more mpg, but if i can gain some hp and torque along the way, i'll take it.
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Old 10-22-2015, 02:49 PM
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Re: K&N Cold Air Intake (CAI) 63-1570

This is the filter that comes with the K&N kit:

K&N RC-2960 Universal Chrome Filter, Universal Air Filters

Looked on the AFE site, you can make a custom filter here:

http://afepower.com/shop/custom/filter.php

With the K&N dimensions, it comes to $66 shipped.

Sounds like we are in business!
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Re: K&N Cold Air Intake (CAI) 63-1570

How is the sounds compared to stock? I am interested in the same setup and have been concerned about the filtering ability on the turbo engine. I contacted K&N about purchasing the intercooler pipe with hardware separately and was given a price of $46.99. Not a bad option either
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Re: K&N Cold Air Intake (CAI) 63-1570

As I said only a slight more vroom vroom sound in the cabin but the turbo whistling can be heard during acceleration with the window down.
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Re: K&N Cold Air Intake (CAI) 63-1570

I am well aware that k&n filters do not filter as well. In fact I've even done oil analysis and had the extra silicone when I was running the K&N filter. However, my step dad had a k&n filter for the entire life of his power stroke. He put 495000 miles on it on a ranch, before it became difficult to start due to loss of compression. I'd say it's not an impending issue.
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Re: K&N Cold Air Intake (CAI) 63-1570

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Pretty nice so far. Looks like I'm getting better MPG driving to work at higher speeds +75mpg.
I had different results on my Jeep. I lost 2-3 mpg and it felt slugish between 1-2k rpm. I took it off and it's now collecting dust in my garage. Maybe it'll help with mpg on the highway. But since 90% of my driving is below 60 mph it doesn't help me at all.
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Re: K&N Cold Air Intake (CAI) 63-1570

drop a 'dry' filter in from afe. k&n = rubbish...

get the real pipes through cb engineering...

cb pipes and afe drop in filter = $450

k&n cai $350

kind of a no brainer. you get all the airflow and you have and a full set of pipes, instead of an oiled soaked filter and 1 cheesy pipe!

for $100-150 difference? cmon... use your bean!
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Re: K&N Cold Air Intake (CAI) 63-1570

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Yes! I couldn't agree more!!!!

The fine dirt particulate that a K&N oiled cotton gauze air filter allows to pass is not good for any engine! Don't buy into K&N's marketing BS!

A paper or synthetic media cone filter would be a much better choice for CAI air filtration.
If K&N CAI so bad for any engine, my real life experience must be fluke with K&N CAI install experience.
Installed K&N COI at 500 miles on my wifes 2001 Grand Cherokee limited 4.7. Traded in at 207,000 miles, not one problem with motor. Ran like new at 207,000 miles.
Installed K&N CAI on my 2001 Chevy s10 2.2 at 2500 miles. Sold at 190,000 miles. Not one problem with motor, ran like new.
Installed K&N CAI on my 2005 Tundra limited 4.7 at around 500 miles. Sold at 110,000 miles, engine ran like new.
Just real life experience with K&N CAI.
K&N CAI really damaged my motors letting in all that dirt
Will install K&N CAI on my diesel when CARB number is approved.
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Re: K&N Cold Air Intake (CAI) 63-1570

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If K&N CAI so bad for any engine, my real life experience must be fluke with K&N CAI install experience.
Installed K&N COI at 500 miles on my wifes 2001 Grand Cherokee limited 4.7. Traded in at 207,000 miles, not one problem with motor. Ran like new at 207,000 miles.
Installed K&N CAI on my 2001 Chevy s10 2.2 at 2500 miles. Sold at 190,000 miles. Not one problem with motor, ran like new.
Installed K&N CAI on my 2005 Tundra limited 4.7 at around 500 miles. Sold at 110,000 miles, engine ran like new.
Just real life experience with K&N CAI.
K&N CAI really damaged my motors letting in all that dirt
Will install K&N CAI on my diesel when CARB number is approved.
Well Mr Jetskifast I don't know where to begin but lets give it a shot;

Did you actually look on the inside of any of those motors you ran for hundreds of thousands of miles while sucking in all that extra fine particulate and silica (That would be sand to the layman a term for which you surely qualify) to see the damage all that extra dirt may have caused?

Have you ever torn an engine apart and actually seen engine bearing damage?

Do you even know what engine damage looks like?

Did you notice that your engine oil became black and clogged with extra dirt that your K&N filter didn't catch but an OEM paper or aftermarket synthetic media filter would have, before it entered your intake?

I'm guessing the answer to all theses questions is no!

The popular misconception is that K&N oiled cotton gauze filters can achieve a higher air flow thru their filters while still maintaining the ability to filter fine dirt particles at the same time. If you do some research on the topic you can find the truth. K&N's mass media marketing glosses over this simple truth!

You can do a simple test with your own vehicle to prove this point. Run 5000 miles with the OEM paper filter, any brand of quality motor oil, and oil filter. Save an oil sample after this 5K mile run. Replace your OEM paper filter with an oiled K&N filter. Run the same 5K miles with the same brand oil and filter and save an oil sample from this run. Now send both samples off to oil analysis and report back what the lab tells you. Blackstone labs will do this testing relatively cheap. What do you think you'll find??

I can tell you from experience the oil sample from the oiled K&N filter will look visibly darker than the OEM paper air filter sample because of all the fine dirt particles suspended in your oil that the K&N filter did not filter out!
Oil analysis will show more silica and fine particles suspended in the K&N sample than that of the OEM paper filter.

Thats the plain truth!

If you want to look further into it, enjoy;

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2218080
http://blog.consumerpla.net/2011/03/...-worth-it.html
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...53#Post2420553
Filtration Testing for Amsoil, K&N, Napa, Jackson Racing, Baldwin, and Mazda air filters on a Miata

If you still don't believe try to imagine this analogy;

If you couldn't see your teeth while brushing them how would you know their clean?
How would you know the toothpaste and toothbrush your using are working? Simple right, you can easily see & feel them to know one way or the other. Right?

Now how do you know the inside of your engine is clean? How do you know that fine particulate isn't scoring your cylinder walls and bearings? How do you know that the extra dirt entering your engine while you used a K&N oiled cotton gauze filter isn't cooked onto the inside of every engine surface?
None of those things can happen if you don't allow the extra dirt into your engine in the first place, can it?


If all that extra dirt in your engine doesn't bother you it won't bother me either....... It's your Jeep!
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Re: K&N Cold Air Intake (CAI) 63-1570

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Well Mr Jetskifast I don't know where to begin but lets give it a shot;

Did you actually look on the inside of any of those motors you ran for hundreds of thousands of miles while sucking in all that extra fine particulate and silica (That would be sand to the layman a term for which you surely qualify) to see the damage all that extra dirt may have caused?

Have you ever torn an engine apart and actually seen engine bearing damage?

Do you even know what engine damage looks like?

Did you notice that your engine oil became black and clogged with extra dirt that your K&N filter didn't catch but an OEM paper or aftermarket synthetic media filter would have, before it entered your intake?

I'm guessing the answer to all theses questions is no!

The popular misconception is that K&N oiled cotton gauze filters can achieve a higher air flow thru their filters while still maintaining the ability to filter fine dirt particles at the same time. If you do some research on the topic you can find the truth. K&N's mass media marketing glosses over this simple truth!

You can do a simple test with your own vehicle to prove this point. Run 5000 miles with the OEM paper filter, any brand of quality motor oil, and oil filter. Save an oil sample after this 5K mile run. Replace your OEM paper filter with an oiled K&N filter. Run the same 5K miles with the same brand oil and filter and save an oil sample from this run. Now send both samples off to oil analysis and report back what the lab tells you. Blackstone labs will do this testing relatively cheap. What do you think you'll find??

I can tell you from experience the oil sample from the oiled K&N filter will look visibly darker than the OEM paper air filter sample because of all the fine dirt particles suspended in your oil that the K&N filter did not filter out!
Oil analysis will show more silica and fine particles suspended in the K&N sample than that of the OEM paper filter.

Thats the plain truth!

If you want to look further into it, enjoy;

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2218080
http://blog.consumerpla.net/2011/03/...-worth-it.html
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...53#Post2420553
Filtration Testing for Amsoil, K&N, Napa, Jackson Racing, Baldwin, and Mazda air filters on a Miata

If you still don't believe try to imagine this analogy;

If you couldn't see your teeth while brushing them how would you know their clean?
How would you know the toothpaste and toothbrush your using are working? Simple right, you can easily see & feel them to know one way or the other. Right?

Now how do you know the inside of your engine is clean? How do you know that fine particulate isn't scoring your cylinder walls and bearings? How do you know that the extra dirt entering your engine while you used a K&N oiled cotton gauze filter isn't cooked onto the inside of every engine surface?
None of those things can happen if you don't allow the extra dirt into your engine in the first place, can it?


If all that extra dirt in your engine doesn't bother you it won't bother me either....... It's your Jeep!
None of my engines needed to be torn a part, even after 207,000 miles
I do all my own oil changes at 5000 miles Oil looked same as our Volvo XC90, which does not have K&N CAI, as K&N does not make CAI for XC90.
Cleaned and oiled my own K&N filters. After removing filter have run white rag into intake tube, never found any dust or dirt on rag
Just giving you my real world use of K&N CAI use for close to 500,000 miles By the way all engines in my example ran like new when sold.
If K&N CAI was as bad as you post, class action lawsuits would be flying. Warranties would be voided with use
By the way plenty of engines have had damaged bearings and such using paper filters before 100,000 miles Key to long motor life change oil and filter Your oil filter also removes dirt from intake air.
Good chance all those dirty motors you have taken a part, did not have oil changed on time
Believe what you like But hard real facts are millions of cars are using K&N style filter without engine problems. My use of K&N CAI system with out one engine problem for close to 500,000 miles just one example
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Re: K&N Cold Air Intake (CAI) 63-1570

^ yah, and there it is... i knew jetskifast wasnt going to buy into the facts. oh, and as for legal actions being taken to k&n? look that up too, you will be so surprised with what you find... most people wont spend money on an attorney because they can buy 2 new engines for the cost of the retainer! aftermarket performance companies get hit with law suits daily!

it does nothing for performance! period! a drop in dry filter from afe flows better and gives the same amount of gains... nada! however, it will flow better than anything else.

but seriously i thought i said enough when i said: k&n = rubbish

you still in yo twenties... right? i knew everything back then too!
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