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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

Am I missing something? Can't you get a limited w/ the air suspension if you order ORA II? Or is the air suspension on the Overland different than QL II?
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

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The if it is harsher, that is more to do with 20” vs 18” wheels.
The tests I read were the opposite, it was 20” vs 20” and said the air suspension wallowed more in corners.
Is there a sport mode foe the suspension that may counter this?

It was a video revriew that stands out more in my head, if I can find it I will post it.
One man’s review though, the others were written reviews that I will have no hope of finding.
The Limiteds I drove had the 20" wheels. My Overland has the 18" ones as those are the ones required for the Offroad Adventure II package.
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Am I missing something? Can't you get a limited w/ the air suspension if you order ORA II? Or is the air suspension on the Overland different than QL II?
Last summer, the Limited was supposedly available with the ORA II package which included the Quadra-lift air suspension. Finding one or getting a dealer around here to order one was a totally different thing. One salesman insisted that I buy a Limited he had in stock that didn't meet any of my requirements and he wouldn't talk to me about ordering a vehicle. I went to another dealer where I found the Overland I bought. The owner of the first dealership called me on the day I signed the purchase papers to find out what was going on. I told him. He fired the salesman and apologized. Don't know if that's because he's the brother of one of my old law school classmates or just good business, but I did get a feeling of satisfaction out of it.
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Old 01-10-2014, 01:26 PM
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

I went with the Limited with all the options because I already was going to have to pay more for the diesel than I really wanted to pay. But I had already decided that I "needed" the diesel before pricing and option requirements where released. For me, even though the Overland did add some nice things (including extra leather (dash, console) that I don't think that has mentioned here yet) it just wasn't worth the extra money since my budget was already stretched almost past the limit. The only package I had a hard time deciding on was the Advance Tech, but now that I have it I wouldn't want to be without it.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

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The if it is harsher, that is more to do with 20” vs 18” wheels.
The tests I read were the opposite, it was 20” vs 20” and said the air suspension wallowed more in corners.
Is there a sport mode foe the suspension that may counter this?

It was a video revriew that stands out more in my head, if I can find it I will post it.
One man’s review though, the others were written reviews that I will have no hope of finding.
The air suspension has both an aero mode, invoked automagically at speed, and a sport mode. I don't recall if there is a difference in ride height with the two or sport just invokes aero.

Either one stiffens up the ride enough I'd challenge a non aero suspension to follow me thru the Colorado twisties very far. And yes, I did a weekend drive of a Limited without it on the same roads with the same [less than optimal] Michelins and there's no comparison. The sport mode makes it handle much like an older XJ series Jag sedan. Still soft, but damn fast.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

My son already has his Overland but I opted for the Limited. I get mine tomorrow so I should have a good idea of the ride differences because I probably will drive his to the dealer that is a bit of a drive. The interior finish on the overland is better I think and it is really plush.

When he got his they tried to sell me one but it had the advanced technology pack on it that was tempting but in hind sight I am glad I did a pass. I followed my son home and when he used the adaptive cruise his brake like constantly came on. I guess I will have to go a little lighter on these cars I see that keep tapping their brakes. The crash sense works kind of weird and does not always sense something is too close ahead. I also heard that the plastic eye is very expensive to recalibrate or replace when something from the road hits it. So of that package the only thing that I would like to have is the blind spot sensors that part is great.

My son is kind of wishing he just got the limited because it cost less not because of any complaint. So far he still is loving the vehicle and hopefully after tomorrow I will be in the same boat.
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Am I missing something? Can't you get a limited w/ the air suspension if you order ORA II? Or is the air suspension on the Overland different than QL II?
Yes. If you load a limited, the only things the Overland has is the extra painted parts, folding mirrors, courtesy lighting package (which does look cool in the Overland), and a few small improved trim items. For the most part, if you load the limited, you will be very close to the Overland. Don't skimp. Get the ATG. The adaptive cruise and blind spot monitoring are awesome.
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Sport mode drops the ride height and seems to stiffen up the ride. I wish I could set it to Sport and leave it there.
You can. Just buy a small trailer for the extra fuel cans.
Odd, after several K miles the penalty in sport mode seems much less than when new.
Maybe I'm just learning how to manage the loud pedal better.
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You can. Just buy a small trailer for the extra fuel cans.
Odd, after several K miles the penalty in sport mode seems much less than when new.
Maybe I'm just learning how to manage the loud pedal better.
I hear you loud and clear! After all the mods I did to my Overland, It's taking time to learn to drive it like the gas hog it is. I really have to remind myself to use that pedal judiciously, because It'll go almost as fast with just a little pedal, but Im in the habbit of tromping on it. Gotta remember to drive it like an old 1960s Cadillac. ..eeeezzzeee...
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

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I bought the Limited 4x4 Ecodiesel with ORAII (comes with Quadradrive II and Quadralift Air Suspension, Adv. Towing Pkg, etc.) but left off the Adv. Tech Pkg. I think if you equip a Limited as close you can to an Overland, you'll come out about $3000 less, plus or minus, but there will still be differences.
I totally agree and I did the same as you and got the Limited with ORA-II and the LUX package and left off the Adv. Tech Pkg. I couldn't personally justify the almost 5K for the Overland of which 2K (they force you to get it with the Overland) is the Adv Tech Pkg. which I didnt want.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

This has been covered a bunch of times already, but what the heck - what's one more time.

Which is best *for you* depends on a lot of different things, not the least of which is whether you plan to order or are hoping to get one off the lot. If the latter, you might be best just going with an Overland because finding one optioned the way you want may be difficult.

Since I, like many others, went through this quandary already, I'll give you my $0.02 and my decision-making process.

For me, I was already sold on the diesel, the advanced tech and the ORA-2. So my decision was basically a fully-loaded Limited or an Overland. At some point I wrote down all of the differences between the two, but at the moment I can't find that so this is just off the top of my head:
  • Overland has puddle lamps
  • Overland has power folding mirrors
  • Overland has "ambient lighting" (basically led lighting around various cup holders, pockets, etc.)
  • Overland has painted lower trim pieces (limited has black)
  • Overland has some wood on the steering wheel
  • Overland has better wood trim
  • Overland has leather dash
  • Overland has piping around the seats
  • Overland has different front grill
  • Overland has chrome tow hooks (I'm not 100% on this one, but my recollection was that while the Limited with ORA-2 had tow hooks, they weren't chrome)
  • Color options. Overland has more, and the Light Frost of the Limited has black carpeting whereas the Overland has Light Frost carpeting.

So functionally, the only real differences are the power folding mirrors, the puddle lamps and the ambient lighting. The rest is basically cosmetic. Of course if you're not getting the ORA-2 and/or Advanced Tech and/or Towing package on the Limited, that changes things.

At the time when I was researching this, the fully loaded limited was $3,300 cheaper (dealer invoice) than the Overland which weighed heavily in the Limited's favor. Additionally, I actually preferred the black trim because I thought it would hold up to abuse better. For similar reasons, I was leaning toward the slightly "lower class" Limited interior and especially the black carpeting (I was getting the Light Frost interior). For me an SUV is more of a workhorse and I didn't want to feel *too* bad about it getting beat up.

The dealer, as well as folks on this board, used the argument that the Overland would have better resale value because most people don't include option prices when looking at used vehicles - they'll just see "Limited" and value it less than an Overland even though the fully loaded limited is virtually identical. To me, I don't really care about resale value because I drive vehicles until they have to be towed to the scrap yard.

So I was pretty much set on the loaded limited instead of the Overland.

But at the very last minute I actually flipped and went with the Overland. There were a couple reasons for this. The primary reason, as small as it may seem, was the power folding mirrors. After re-measuring my very tight garage space, I realized the only viable way to get in there is to fold the mirrors. Plus parking around San Francisco and some surrounding areas can be pretty tight and folding the mirrors is nice. The second reason was that, while I preferred the slightly "lower class" interior of the Limited, the Significant Other much preferred the Overland. And the final reason, which turned out to be wrong, was that initial "insider reports" indicated they were only providing allocation for Overland diesels in the beginning and I *really* needed my vehicle ASAP.

Now that I've had the Overland for a while, I'd definitely do it again. For me, the power folding mirrors really are essential. It seems pretty crazy to effectively be paying $3.3K for power folding mirrors, and maybe I could've retrofitted that somehow. But the other little things are kind of nice. The puddle lamps are nice and the extra ambient lighting is also nice. The leather dash, wood wheel and upgraded trim do give it a classier feel. So it'll probably "hurt" more when it starts to get beat up, but for now I'll just enjoy having "something pretty".

If you're on the fence about the air suspension, my *personal* recommendation is a definite thumbs-up. It's the perfect compromise for me and my SO. I need a suspension that can handle some heavy duty stuff (heavy loads) as well as go offroad, which usually means a pretty rough ride, which my SO (and her kids) really hate. The air suspension rides more like a car suspension which pleases my SO and the kids, but can still do all the heavy-duty hauling and offroad stuff that I need. Total win-win. And I've tried hustling it through twisty mountain roads quite quickly and I was not disappointed at all. Like you, I worry a little about the longevity issue, but all I could do was get the 8/120 service contract and hope for the best.

And if you're on the fence with the advanced tech ... DO IT! That adaptive cruise works soooo well. Love it, love it, love it! Blind spot monitoring is nice too. And both the ACC and blind spot seem to do a good job picking up motorcycles, which is important to me.

Anyway, best advice is just to look at the pros/cons of each, and just do what feels right to you. I don't think you can really go too far wrong either way. If you like the classier look of the Overland and either don't plan on beating it up too much or can stomach it getting beat up, then go for it. If you prefer the slightly less classy Limited and want to save some money, the loaded Limited is a good choice. If you want to buy something off the lot - you're probably going to be "stuck" with picking the Overland.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

Exact same JGC as I have except you have ORA which I have no need for.
OP in the end you can't go wrong with either choice.
I have experience with the ACC and I will never buy another car or truck without it because of all it does for you.
Good luck both are winners...
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