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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

Thanks to everyone for all the great info. At this point I think I'm going Overland w/ Adv Tech & ORA2. I think after seeing interiors the past few days I'm going w/ Morocco & then exterior granite. Taking advantage of the DC GB and trying to find something in stock that matches my needs. I'm thinking this configuration seems common enough that a high volume dealer like Koons should get something in fairly quickly. I just dont want to wait 8 weeks for a build.

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You'll probably have a late enough build that will included that auto start stop function for the motor also which would be nice to have. Good choice.
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You'll probably have a late enough build that will included that auto start stop function for the motor also which would be nice to have. Good choice.
Are you referring to the remote start?
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No meaning the gas saving feature where at a red light the engine shuts down like a hybrid and then starts or awakens when you press the gas pedal again
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No meaning the gas saving feature where at a red light the engine shuts down like a hybrid and then starts or awakens when you press the gas pedal again
Are you sure that's on the diesel. I thought that was the Hemi?
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Are you sure that's on the diesel. I thought that was the Hemi?
Given all the warnings in the manual about letting the diesel idle for a while before shutting down, I'd be really surprised if they included this on the diesel.

Of course if they really wanted to, they could add a check for the EGT and not shut down until it got below a certain level. But you'd think if they were going to add that logic, they'd add it to the normal stop routine.

In fact, I'm a little surprised they didn't, especially given all of the other nannies and checks that are in there. You'd think they would've done something like: if the EGT is above a certain threshold when you hit the Stop button, the EVIC would put a warning on the display saying that it would shut down after it reached a safe temperature, and maybe add the option to hit Stop again to force the shutdown.

We already have a delay for the glow plugs when starting up - why not build in a similar delay to cool down when turning off?
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Yes that's on the non Diesel engine,my mistake if you thought i was referring to the diesel.
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Given all the warnings in the manual about letting the diesel idle for a while before shutting down, I'd be really surprised if they included this on the diesel.
This is a normal thing for European cars.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

My opinion, for me, the extra $5-$6k for the Overland wasn't worth it.

Again, for ME...
don't need Quadra Lift
don't need towing
don't need "ventilated seats"
don't need panoramic roof

Could care less about wheel mouldings or wood steering wheel.

The ONLY thing I wanted in the Limited was HID's.
& for $160, I now have them...

My Choice, traded in my 2012 Overland for a new 2014 Limited & not looking back! Very happy w/ the Limited..! and the $$ saved!!
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

Either way you are going to rationalize your purchase, human nature and we all do it. Where we are different is which way makes us happy. If I settle for less I always regret it. Doesn't matter how good my reason had been. If I get something it turns out I don't really use on the other hand it doesn't bother me much. Either way I'll take the lesson with me like we all do but one way I'll be happier than the other.

Another thing is the haven't had it and don't know better factor. Take ventilated seats. Before I first had them I pretty much figured it to be foo foo. After owning them I never purchased another car without them, it turns out I like ventilated seats. Now someone may have had them and not liked em and never used em. Thats not my point, my point its easy to declare foo foo on an option you have no experience with because rationalization starts before the purchase was made.

Keep in mind in both cases I'm not talking about making a cost/benefit decision where money must be placed either here or there, I'm talking about something you could have afforded but did not.
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Well said, +1.

I'd also note, in terms of resale value, individual options don 't factor in as much as higher trim levels from my experience.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

I have read in this thread and others that one reason to buy a higher trim level is better trade in compared to adding options. I never paid much attention because trade in value is not a criteria I use when purchasing a vehicle. In some matters I live for today.

But, being curious I decided to see what KBB has to say. It turns out that similarly equipped 2011 Limiteds and Overlands are not that far apart. In fact, if the book is accurate the Limited might actually give you a better return. To make them closer I added Nav and V8 to KBB options on the Limited. All else is what they consider common for each vehicle.

30,000 miles

Excellent *** Limited $28795 *** Overland $30,005 *** $1,210

Very Good *** $28,295 *** $29455 *** $1,160

Good *** $27,295 *** $28,455 *** $1,160


Even if the numbers aren't accurate, the difference between trim levels is probably closer to the original cost difference than many think.

If anybody finds an error in these numbers, let me know. I have been know to make mistakes.


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