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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

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This has been covered a bunch of times already, but what the heck - what's one more time.

Which is best *for you* depends on a lot of different things, not the least of which is whether you plan to order or are hoping to get one off the lot. If the latter, you might be best just going with an Overland because finding one optioned the way you want may be difficult.

Since I, like many others, went through this quandary already, I'll give you my $0.02 and my decision-making process.

For me, I was already sold on the diesel, the advanced tech and the ORA-2. So my decision was basically a fully-loaded Limited or an Overland. At some point I wrote down all of the differences between the two, but at the moment I can't find that so this is just off the top of my head:
  • Overland has puddle lamps
  • Overland has power folding mirrors
  • Overland has "ambient lighting" (basically led lighting around various cup holders, pockets, etc.)
  • Overland has painted lower trim pieces (limited has black)
  • Overland has some wood on the steering wheel
  • Overland has better wood trim
  • Overland has leather dash
  • Overland has piping around the seats
  • Overland has different front grill
  • Overland has chrome tow hooks (I'm not 100% on this one, but my recollection was that while the Limited with ORA-2 had tow hooks, they weren't chrome)
  • Color options. Overland has more, and the Light Frost of the Limited has black carpeting whereas the Overland has Light Frost carpeting.

So functionally, the only real differences are the power folding mirrors, the puddle lamps and the ambient lighting. The rest is basically cosmetic. Of course if you're not getting the ORA-2 and/or Advanced Tech and/or Towing package on the Limited, that changes things.

At the time when I was researching this, the fully loaded limited was $3,300 cheaper (dealer invoice) than the Overland which weighed heavily in the Limited's favor. Additionally, I actually preferred the black trim because I thought it would hold up to abuse better. For similar reasons, I was leaning toward the slightly "lower class" Limited interior and especially the black carpeting (I was getting the Light Frost interior). For me an SUV is more of a workhorse and I didn't want to feel *too* bad about it getting beat up.

The dealer, as well as folks on this board, used the argument that the Overland would have better resale value because most people don't include option prices when looking at used vehicles - they'll just see "Limited" and value it less than an Overland even though the fully loaded limited is virtually identical. To me, I don't really care about resale value because I drive vehicles until they have to be towed to the scrap yard.

So I was pretty much set on the loaded limited instead of the Overland.

But at the very last minute I actually flipped and went with the Overland. There were a couple reasons for this. The primary reason, as small as it may seem, was the power folding mirrors. After re-measuring my very tight garage space, I realized the only viable way to get in there is to fold the mirrors. Plus parking around San Francisco and some surrounding areas can be pretty tight and folding the mirrors is nice. The second reason was that, while I preferred the slightly "lower class" interior of the Limited, the Significant Other much preferred the Overland. And the final reason, which turned out to be wrong, was that initial "insider reports" indicated they were only providing allocation for Overland diesels in the beginning and I *really* needed my vehicle ASAP.

Now that I've had the Overland for a while, I'd definitely do it again. For me, the power folding mirrors really are essential. It seems pretty crazy to effectively be paying $3.3K for power folding mirrors, and maybe I could've retrofitted that somehow. But the other little things are kind of nice. The puddle lamps are nice and the extra ambient lighting is also nice. The leather dash, wood wheel and upgraded trim do give it a classier feel. So it'll probably "hurt" more when it starts to get beat up, but for now I'll just enjoy having "something pretty".

If you're on the fence about the air suspension, my *personal* recommendation is a definite thumbs-up. It's the perfect compromise for me and my SO. I need a suspension that can handle some heavy duty stuff (heavy loads) as well as go offroad, which usually means a pretty rough ride, which my SO (and her kids) really hate. The air suspension rides more like a car suspension which pleases my SO and the kids, but can still do all the heavy-duty hauling and offroad stuff that I need. Total win-win. And I've tried hustling it through twisty mountain roads quite quickly and I was not disappointed at all. Like you, I worry a little about the longevity issue, but all I could do was get the 8/120 service contract and hope for the best.

And if you're on the fence with the advanced tech ... DO IT! That adaptive cruise works soooo well. Love it, love it, love it! Blind spot monitoring is nice too. And both the ACC and blind spot seem to do a good job picking up motorcycles, which is important to me.

Anyway, best advice is just to look at the pros/cons of each, and just do what feels right to you. I don't think you can really go too far wrong either way. If you like the classier look of the Overland and either don't plan on beating it up too much or can stomach it getting beat up, then go for it. If you prefer the slightly less classy Limited and want to save some money, the loaded Limited is a good choice. If you want to buy something off the lot - you're probably going to be "stuck" with picking the Overland.

You forgot the ventilated seats...vs just heated on the limited. I didn't like the black plastic trim, so I had it painted to match like the overland. Painting it was much cheaper then buying the overland!
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Old 01-11-2014, 01:28 PM
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

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You forgot the ventilated seats...vs just heated on the limited. I didn't like the black plastic trim, so I had it painted to match like the overland. Painting it was much cheaper then buying the overland!
No, the Limited with Lux-II (which is mandatory since we're talking about the EcoDiesel) has ventilated seats. Other than the colored piping and the overland logo, the seats and seat features are identical between the Limited with Lux-II and the Overland.

To be clear, my list was comparing a "loaded limited" to an Overland. The loaded limited includes: Lux-II, Advanced Tech, Uconnect 8.4AN, Tow Group IV, ORA-2.
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Old 01-11-2014, 01:47 PM
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

Air suspension and vented seats plus the same color and no black plastic around the wheel wells is what made the difference for me. Especially the vented seats living in Florida...
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The vented seats and a bottle of beano works great for me.
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Again, the limited ecodiesel comes with ventilated seats. Part of the lux II. It also has the interior ambient lighting.
I wanted the overland for the painted trim but I went with the limited because I refuse to own air suspension. I want the option to lift and run larger tires.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

You know Nautiboy you could have just said the ol lady preferred the Overland and saved all that typing.
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You know Nautiboy you could have just said the ol lady preferred the Overland and saved all that typing.
LOLz. Indeed. Years ago a friend said he wanted to write a book on how to maintain a long relationship. But he said the problem was that everything you need to know could be put in the title: "Yes Dear"
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

I prefer the Limited wheels over my Overland ones but in the end if the physical appearance both interior and exterior counts for most of us.

I built the Limited with all I wanted (including vented seats on the Lux Pack) but physical appearance differences made the difference for me. Now to get someone who likes the Overland wheels to swap their Limited wheels with me....
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I prefer the Limited wheels over my Overland ones...

Now to get someone who likes the Overland wheels to swap their Limited wheels with me....
In Aus the Limited comes standard with the same 20 wheels as the Overland. Neither of us liked the 20s, so we had the dealer swap them to 18s.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

I like the 18's better. I was happy when I found they came on the Overland with the off road 2 package.

Why do they do different set ups for different countries? (rhetorical question)


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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

I don’t care if it is rhetorical, I’m answering as I can’t come to your bloody island.

For Aus, as we have a population of only 22 million, and lose 4-5 weeks shipping them here, you can’t afford to have the same options available.
As such, you asses the sales and competition, and spec it as close to possible with what is wanted or needed to give the best possible sales results.
They basically keep a $10K bracket between levels, so Overland is $10K more than Ltd, which is $10K more than Laredo. Then they tweak the spec to justify the price difference.
So all of our base model specs include a lot of things which are options in the US.
Summits have only just become available, as a limited edition, and are $4k more than an Overland.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

I really like the leather dash on the overland and the folding mirrors which you could do manually on the limited and the ground lights when you open the door are pretty nice. I also like the grill but that could be bought and put in pretty easily.

I am surprised at all the huge fans of the adaptive cruise control. I think everyone should ride behind your JGC when it is in adaptive cruise control and watch how it uses the brake like it is a two footed driver at the wheel. Watched my son's during the ride home and I think someone who uses it very often is going to have a very short brake life. But I am not a big fan of cruise control but I thought I might become one when I saw that the ATG group had adaptive cruise control. I really like the concept and it does work as advertised but for me the incessant use of the brake is a deal killer for me.

The few things that are different between the two for me was not worth plunking down more cash. I think my son really wanted the air suspension which I am sure will be a great feature when towing his boat but he said it is just too slow to be used as an assist in getting in and out of the vehicle. I do not have a boat and do not really tow anything all that heavy so while I think it would be nice to have it also would be a big concert as to how reliable they are. I think they necessitate that you have a warranty in case they go south.
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