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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

Living in TX, ventilated seats are NOT considered unnecessary or a luxury and definitely make long distance driving a more pleasurable experience !
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

Raptor,

If the cruise was hitting the brakes as often as you say, two things come to mind.

One, it was set for too short a distance for the traffic conditions, or
Two, you were driving in a situation that was not conducive to using any cruise control.

Automation doesn't relieve the driver from making decision, like when to use technology.

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Raptor,

If the cruise was hitting the brakes as often as you say, two things come to mind.

One, it was set for too short a distance for the traffic conditions, or
Two, you were driving in a situation that was not conducive to using any cruise control.

Automation doesn't relieve the driver from making decision, like when to use technology.

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It was my son's Jeep I was following. If you are out on a road with no other cars it would not hit the brakes so often but then why would you need it to be adaptive. But it also hits the brakes when it starts to go over the speed you set it at. I live in NE PA where you are going up or down on a highway so on every down hill portion it is going to hit the brakes. Also it is rare where you are not going to other cars of varying speeds on the road with you.

The feature that really sells Adaptive Cruise is that you do not have to keep knocking it off when you get around traffic. But from watching my son's truck while I was on the phone with him talking about the brake light it seems to me that the software only uses an on/off switch as it relates to the brakes. If you start going to fast it hits the brakes, If you get to close it hits the brakes. Now if it let off the gas and used the engine to slow you down if you were a little bit over the speed or were getting close to another vehicle then it would think in the manner in which I drive.

I guess I am wrong to believe my way of seeing things is the same as others do. I personally have a thing about using my brakes on the highway. Driving a TDI for the last 8 or 9 years it was pretty easy to just use the engine just like some do by down shifting. So naturally when I see the brake lite going on and off on a pretty regular basis well that is not for me. I mention it also because inside the vehicle I am sure the driver is unaware that the brake is being used. For me it is an issue. For others it is a so what.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

Follow him up and down hill using the regular cruise control (not the adaptive) and see if it uses the brakes for that as well. Many of the newer up scale vehicles are adding that feature to maintain the speed going down hill when just reducing power is insufficient. My brother-in-law's BMW does just that.
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. But I am not a big fan of cruise control but I thought I might become one when I saw that the ATG group had adaptive cruise control.
I canít stress how much I hate people that have cruise control and donít use it.
It drives me insane, many think they donít need it or want it as they prefer to have the control over the car. Ignoring the fact that their velocity varies massively as they drive along for no good reason as they canít possibly manage their speed control as well as cruise control can.
It is my number two pet peeve after people that donít get out of the right hand lane, for US purposes that would be your left hand lane, when not overtaking or turning.
In both cases these actions have a massive effect on poor traffic flow, and is just selfish, or maybe just ignorant to their consequences.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

I went through a similar process with my wife deciding what to get. I would have been fine with a Limited with options, but my wife had to have the light interior with light carpet, which meant Overland period.

I do have to admit that I do like the air suspension. On the highway or in sport mode it lowers, with a noticeable effect on handling. Lowering further for entry and exit is nice as well. I know that sooner or later there WILL be issues with it, and it will not be cheap to fix. A steel spring suspension won't fail. That was one of the big reasons I opted for the Lifetime Max Care. The dealer matched online pricing on the warranty, so I think it was a good choice, especially with all the other electronics and that new eight speed transmission as we plan to keep this vehicle a long time.

We did not opt for the ATG. I doubt that I have used cruise control more than ten times in the last 30 years, so the adaptive cruise wasn't a selling point. I can see how the blindspot detection would be nice, and the brake assist with crash mitigation could save you, but I worry that it might make me less aware and too complacent. In my opinion, it is like admitting that you are a driver that doesn't pay attention, and want a crutch. I see those features more as a type of insurance policy, and at almost $2k, it just wasn't worth it to me. YMMV.
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Get limited. The only difference between limited and overland is overland has more standard features and special trim.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

I ended up with a fully loaded limited (diesel, ora2, lux2, advtech or whatever the acc/fca/hid package was) after doing much comparing. The deciding factors for me were that i did not like the body colored extra trim on the overland, made the jeep look heavier and 'fatter' in my opinion. I also didnt like any of the overland/summit interiors as much as i liked the black leather limited interior with white stitching. Its all personal preference really. I also didnt wamt 20 inch wheels since i am putting larger all terrain tires on anyway.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

In my view the interior is so much nicer in the overland and the lights on the ground when you open your door is a really nice touch especially in the wet or winter when it is nice to see what you are putting your foot down on.

Now the comment about controlling your speed with out cruise well I can keep it on the MPH pretty well and I drive 100 miles per day. I also know enough to speed up in the passing lane if someone is barreling up on me even if I am going 70 I can quickly get out of their way, cruise control keeps you going the same speed and I see people take forever to pass another vehicle which really is a big cause of congestion. If you are in the passing lane pass everyone and get back in the right if traffic behind you is catching up to you.

I admit that I am not a fan of cruise and I really do not like the way cruise seems to really stomp on the gas when you hit a hill to maintain speed. I rather gradually increase the throttle until I am staying the same speed. Also I did not know that other cruise control systems use the brakes on the down hill. I guess some of these cars I see that are constantly on the brake are likely using cruise.

I think Snuke is more than likely referring to those people who are not paying attention to driving so they speed up with a good song or slow down when talking on the phone. These same people on cruise would be going along right next to another car going the same speed oblivious to the long line of cars behind them that actually want to pass. Either case they are one of the hazards or annoyances of being on the highway.

I am happy that I picked the Limited because most of the extra features you get as standard are of little value to me and most of them are more of a bother to my son than a value. The only feature that it has that he would not want to give up is the blind spot detector. That is pretty much the one feature that I wish I had but all the rest that comes with that add on would be mostly turned off.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

Cruise control that brakes on the downhills sounds terrible! Not only the brake wear, but the impact on fuel economy. What a terrible idea! Cruise control users have gotten by without automatic brake application for decades. If the GC does this on regular cruise as well as ACC, I would like to know for sure.
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It doesn't, it engine brakes and shifts down.
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It doesn't, it engine brakes and shifts down.
It does that first, but if that won't keep the speed down, it does hit the brakes. BMW works the same way.
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