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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

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It doesn't, it engine brakes and shifts down.
I was behind my son's Overland for at least 10 miles while talking on the phone to him. He would put it in cruise and when he came up on a car the brake light would go on. Then it would brake frequently to keep it at a distance, he set it for different distances but it still would hit the brake over and over. It also would brake when no car was in front of him but he said he was over the speed he set.

It does it but how often it does it will depend on where it is used but I saw it in use where there was typical traffic for this area and it braked far more often than I did in the vehicle behind him. I never had to hit the brake.

If you like it fine and it does what it is supposed to do in terms of allowing you to use cruise and not run into another car that is going slower than you. For me I do not like that it hits the brake and perhaps even the standard cruise does this as well when going down hill. I am not sure if you can tell in the vehicle just like you can not tell that the brakes are being applied for traction control. Brakes are replaceable so if that is not an issue fine. I do think it would be nice on an open road where you are rarely around another car but in my area that is pretty rare.
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I was behind my son's Overland for at least 10 miles while talking on the phone to him. He would put it in cruise and when he came up on a car the brake light would go on. Then it would brake frequently to keep it at a distance, he set it for different distances but it still would hit the brake over and over. It also would brake when no car was in front of him but he said he was over the speed he set.

It does it but how often it does it will depend on where it is used but I saw it in use where there was typical traffic for this area and it braked far more often than I did in the vehicle behind him. I never had to hit the brake.

If you like it fine and it does what it is supposed to do in terms of allowing you to use cruise and not run into another car that is going slower than you. For me I do not like that it hits the brake and perhaps even the standard cruise does this as well when going down hill. I am not sure if you can tell in the vehicle just like you can not tell that the brakes are being applied for traction control. Brakes are replaceable so if that is not an issue fine. I do think it would be nice on an open road where you are rarely around another car but in my area that is pretty rare.
I put my Overland into standard cruise the other day on a road with steep hills and, yes, it does use the brakes when engine braking will not allow it to stay below the set speed. I had run the same hill in my 04 Tahoe in the past and it would get 10-15 miles over the set speed going down some of those hills.
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It does that first, but if that won't keep the speed down, it does hit the brakes. BMW works the same way.
I was answering a comment about cruise control, not adaptive cruise control.
The cars fitted with ACC have a Bosch control unit that will engage the brakes.
Cars without ACC do not, and it will not engage the brakes.
Cars with ACC will engage the brake even when standard cruise is set instead of adaptive as it has the hardware programmed to do so.

I would prefer the brakes be used when it gets quite steep, less stress on the gearbox.
As my original race instructor always said when I would uses the gears to slow and control, "Brake pads are far cheaper to replace than gears".
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

There seems to be a difference of opinion on cruise control braking. I can't help thinking that a person who has experienced braking in regular CC must be observing something tangible.

In mountainous terrain it is always recommended to gear down sufficiently to hold back the vehicle, as opposed to depending on the brake for slowing. Brakes can overheat, resulting in loss of braking power and a runaway vehicle. Brake pads may be cheaper to replace than gears, but gears are easier to replace than lives! I guess a person must be ready to override the vehicle's brain and engage the paddles in some instances.
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There seems to be a difference of opinion on cruise control braking. I can't help thinking that a person who has experienced braking in regular CC must be observing something tangible.

In mountainous terrain it is always recommended to gear down sufficiently to hold back the vehicle, as opposed to depending on the brake for slowing. Brakes can overheat, resulting in loss of braking power and a runaway vehicle. Brake pads may be cheaper to replace than gears, but gears are easier to replace than lives! I guess a person must be ready to override the vehicle's brain and engage the paddles in some instances.
Actually, what Snuke is saying is that the ordinary cruise control on the units without ADD is different from the ordinary cruise control on the units with ADD. This is part of the confusion as the units with ADD also have cruise control without ADD and the driver chooses which to use.

So, if Snuke is correct, and I have no reason to think he is not, there could be a real difference in how the ordinary cruise works. Of course, this would be in line with how cruise works in many upscale vehicles today as compared to the lesser upscale.
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

It is nice to know that since I do not have ACC my brakes will not be used when I use cruise. Yes that saying also common back when many cars still used standard shift and you would talk about down shifting or braking. I am not sure how much wear and tear you are putting on the engine or gear box when you allow the engine to slow you down. By saying not sure I mean I am not a mechanic nor really into the details of how things work so I just do not know.

I think I will embrace adaptive cruise control when it is able to maintain a speed that keeps me away from other cars and only slows when the vehicle speed is higher than a speed limit I set. If it would go faster so that it would quickly pass another vehicle that would be perfect.

For now I am not sold but totally get that those who have used cruise control in the past will find this ACC to be a god sent. In respect to the OP I think if you are certain that you want the Advanced technology package, you are getting up in price where I believe the Overland probably should be your pick. Since there is so much that can go wrong even on the Limited I think an extended warranty is a necessity the air shocks are a nice touch and I do envy the blind spot detection, the dash, puddle lights and automatic folding mirrors.
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Ok, I know what ACC stands for, but what is ADD?
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Re: Limited vs Overland? Opinions

Why do so many manufactures use "Limited" to describe a trim level. If you looked in the dictionary you would but a Laredo or Overland.
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It is nice to know that since I do not have ACC my brakes will not be used when I use cruise. Yes that saying also common back when many cars still used standard shift and you would talk about down shifting or braking. I am not sure how much wear and tear you are putting on the engine or gear box when you allow the engine to slow you down. By saying not sure I mean I am not a mechanic nor really into the details of how things work so I just do not know.

I think I will embrace adaptive cruise control when it is able to maintain a speed that keeps me away from other cars and only slows when the vehicle speed is higher than a speed limit I set. If it would go faster so that it would quickly pass another vehicle that would be perfect.

For now I am not sold but totally get that those who have used cruise control in the past will find this ACC to be a god sent. In respect to the OP I think if you are certain that you want the Advanced technology package, you are getting up in price where I believe the Overland probably should be your pick. Since there is so much that can go wrong even on the Limited I think an extended warranty is a necessity the air shocks are a nice touch and I do envy the blind spot detection, the dash, puddle lights and automatic folding mirrors.
I've been using downshifting and engine braking on my manual transmission vehicles for 40 years and haven't found any reduction in lifespan compared to others who have automatic transmissions in similar vehicles. I still drive a Miata and to not downshift into a corner and accellerate through it would really diminish the fun of driving it.

That being said, I do like the ACC as I do have a tendency to increase speed without noticing it while driving without it and I don't have to keep hitting the brakes to disable it when I come up on someone slower when I can't pass.

I agree with you on the extended warranty. Just all the computer stuff on this vehicle justifies getting that. Those computer modules aren't cheap. I got the Lifetime Max on mine.
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Ok, I know what ACC stands for, but what is ADD?
Attention Deficit Disorder which accounts for why I used that term.
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I'm beginning to think that ACC should be called ADC (Adaptive Driver Control), because it controls (and jerks around) the driver so much! All this sudden braking and stuff would get on my nerves.

If the theory is correct about vehicles with ACC, I know I really don't want that feature!

Thanks for explaining.
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It does that first, but if that won't keep the speed down, it does hit the brakes. BMW works the same way.
It even tells you it will use the brakes if necessary.
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