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Re: Maximum tongue weight

SlipStick,
FYI - Our JGC's have "anti-sway" built in to them......and most WDH's have some form of "anti-sway" (such as our Andersen WDH). So we actually end up with a kind of "Belt and Braces" system !

Our set-up feels like a single unit when on the road. We've also experienced 40mph gusty side winds, felt it move but tracked nice and true with minimal input from the driver.

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Re: Maximum tongue weight

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Talltale: I am new to the forum, have spent the last 5 days crawling through the links. I have a 2015 GC with eco-diesel / Summit Pkg. / Trailer Pkg. / Air Suspension. Towing a Passport Ultra-lite 27', about 5400#'s Loaded. I Have done a lot of research on the ProPride Hitch. Planning to make the investment of $2,400.00 (Not an Issue). I want to know if the claims that it "Virtually" eliminates trailer sway are accurate based on your experience in using the hitch. I'm an Old guy (66) live in Alberta Canada. I have found the form to be very informative. I will be buying the GDE Tuned ECU when I return home from my Snowbird vacation in Phoenix in a couple of weeks. Want to ensure White Knuckle Free towing with the GC or do I need to go to my Ram 1500? Your comments are appreciated.
I don't have any experience with the PP except for reading about how great it is. One item to be concerned with is the weight of the hitch. I've read it weighs in the vicinity of 230lbs. Add that to the tongue weight of your trailer, and you aren't going to have a whole lot of payload left with your GC, even with the weight distribution. Mine is 1,050lbs; yours isn't likely much more than that.

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Re: Maximum tongue weight

slipstick, I agree with Birchboy, you need to look at the inside edge of the drivers door and get the weight rating for you vehicle. I weighed mine and here is my data. I have a 4X4, skid plates, so my weights may be higher than yours.

GVWR is 6800 lbs--- my weight is 5940 lbs

Front axle weight rating is 3200 lbs -- my weight is 3100 lbs.

Rear axle weight rating is 3700 lbs. -- my weight is 2840 lbs.

These weights are with 2 people and full of fuel.

That leaves me with 860 lbs. left of rear axle capacity. So I have to figure in the trailer tongue weight, the hitch weight, and any cargo in the rear into the 860 lbs.

It's very easy to exceed the rear axle capacity especially. I have ordered my TT but it is still not here. There are plenty of high quality WDH's with sway control of some sort out there that weigh less than what you are looking at.

My choice is a Centerline TS. 1000 lbs capacity. The only way to get honest numbers is to go to a scale and weigh the vehicle and each axle. Then you know what you have to work with. Wireman
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Re: Maximum tongue weight

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slipstick, I agree with Birchboy, you need to look at the inside edge of the drivers door and get the weight rating for you vehicle. I weighed mine and here is my data. I have a 4X4, skid plates, so my weights may be higher than yours.

GVWR is 6800 lbs--- my weight is 5940 lbs

Front axle weight rating is 3200 lbs -- my weight is 3100 lbs.

Rear axle weight rating is 3700 lbs. -- my weight is 2840 lbs.

These weights are with 2 people and full of fuel.

That leaves me with 860 lbs. left of rear axle capacity. So I have to figure in the trailer tongue weight, the hitch weight, and any cargo in the rear into the 860 lbs.

It's very easy to exceed the rear axle capacity especially. I have ordered my TT but it is still not here. There are plenty of high quality WDH's with sway control of some sort out there that weigh less than what you are looking at.

My choice is a Centerline TS. 1000 lbs capacity. The only way to get honest numbers is to go to a scale and weigh the vehicle and each axle. Then you know what you have to work with. Wireman
And then make sure that you don't transfer more than 100 lbs to the front axle with your WDH.
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And then make sure that you don't transfer more than 100 lbs to the front axle with your WDH.
As someone who is buying a new Airstream TT that will be fairly close to my Jeep's limits, I've been reading a lot about hitches, weight distribution, sway prevention/control....and my head is spinning.

However, the one thing I thought was settled was that the WD setup needs to get the front axle weight as close the the rear axle weight as possible. If that's the case, with most travel trailers moving only 100 lbs to the front axle won't get you anywhere near the same weight front and rear. So can you explain this? 'Cuz I'm getting nauseous from my head spinning so fast.

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Re: Maximum tongue weight

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As someone who is buying a new Airstream TT that will be fairly close to my Jeep's limits, I've been reading a lot about hitches, weight distribution, sway prevention/control....and my head is spinning.

However, the one thing I thought was settled was that the WD setup needs to get the front axle weight as close the the rear axle weight as possible. If that's the case, with most travel trailers moving only 100 lbs to the front axle won't get you anywhere near the same weight front and rear. So can you explain this? 'Cuz I'm getting nauseous from my head spinning so fast.

-Jim
My comment was in reference to the front axle weight Wireman observed vs the front axle weight rating only having a 100 lbs differential. If you transfer any more than that the front axle will be overloaded.
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Re: Maximum tongue weight

Ah. Missed that. Thanks!

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Re: Maximum tongue weight

JeepEcoDiesel, in response to your question about equalizing the front & rear axle weights and getting them as close to the same as possible.


Because they have different weight ratings, 3200 lbs front & 3700 lbs in the rear, to get them as close as possible, you would be overloading the front axle for sure.


From what I've been reading the best way is to measure the wheel well opening, front and rear, centered in the opening.


Record these measurements. Hitch your trailer and without using the equalizer bars measure again. Use your tongue jack and raise the vehicle to close to your original measurements. Then attach your bars and take the load off the jack.


Your vehicle should be close to your original measurements. It's better to have it a little lower in the rear by 1/2 to 1 inch. If it to high in the rear you will overload your front axle and have trailer sway.


I bought my WDH through my dealer and when the trailer arrives they will do the initial setup of the hitch.


There are various opinions out there on how to setup a WDH but 1 thing is constant, proper weight distributed between the axles and sufficient tongue weight on the hitch. Wireman
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Re: Maximum tongue weight

If your Jeep has QL, you need to put it in tire-change mode FIRST.

You will need to set the Tow Vehicle ball to the recommended hitch ball receiver height the trailer manufacturer recommends.

When in tire change mode, measure the front and rear wheel well heights, noting the differential between the two heights (front and rear) and then set up your WDH in TIRE CHANGE MODE, trying to get the differential as near as dammit.

Once you have that set, use a spirit level along the top of the trailer fridge access door to see if it is level - slightly forward is OK.

Then turn on your QL and Voila' the magic happens
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philbytx, I don't have the air suspension but good advise to those that have. Wireman
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Re: Maximum tongue weight

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Talltale: I am new to the forum, have spent the last 5 days crawling through the links. I have a 2015 GC with eco-diesel / Summit Pkg. / Trailer Pkg. / Air Suspension. Towing a Passport Ultra-lite 27', about 5400#'s Loaded. I Have done a lot of research on the ProPride Hitch. Planning to make the investment of $2,400.00 (Not an Issue). I want to know if the claims that it "Virtually" eliminates trailer sway are accurate based on your experience in using the hitch. I'm an Old guy (66) live in Alberta Canada. I have found the form to be very informative. I will be buying the GDE Tuned ECU when I return home from my Snowbird vacation in Phoenix in a couple of weeks. Want to ensure White Knuckle Free towing with the GC or do I need to go to my Ram 1500? Your comments are appreciated.

Here's a brief recap of my towing experience with my 2014 Overland 4x4 CRD:

- towed a 25' Airstream pretty much all over the NW and SW.
--GAWR Front Actual 3140 lb
--GAWR Rear Actual 3700 lb
--Trailer 6600 lb loaded
--Combined trailer/vehicle 13440 lb
--Average OAT 40-90 F
--Propride 3 Hitch and Direclink brake controller

I never experienced any trailer sway, nor did I ever feel like "the tail was wagging the dog." The ProPride hitch is heavy and it's a pain in the behind to do the initial installation. Using the CAT scales to fine tune the setup was a must because I was so close to the front/rear/hitch load limits. The Direclink brake controller was easy to install. It integrated the trailer brakes with the vehicle braking system perfectly. The Jeep handled the trailer with ease. I never experienced a "white knuckle" moment. That said, here were my negatives:

- I couldn't carry cargo or backseat passengers without exceeding the load limits
- I had to really watch how I loaded my trailer and how much I loaded in it
- Although it never overheated, the coolant temp hovered near the red on hills
- As a veteran of flying PaveHawk helos at max gross weight most of their life and experiencing the resultant dramatically increased maintenance required, I felt a little uncomfortable using the Jeep at its load limits.

I'm now towing with a Silverado 2500HD mainly to give me more "wiggle room" with load limits. One last plus for the ProPride is it's fairly easy to reconfigure the ProPride receiver if you want to transfer it between tow vehicles.
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Re: Maximum tongue weight

BirchyBoy / wireman / talltale: I want to thank you for your comments and observations on your experiences in towing with the GC. I have contacted Sean @ ProPride and sent him info on the GC and Passport UltraLite Trailer I am towing and am waiting for his evaluation.
In doing a lot of web crawling researching W/D and Sway Control Hitches, I stumbled onto this site,
ProPride Trailer Hitch 1,000 mile Update | PopUpBackpacker.com. There are 2 additional parts to his posting. I found his explanation on matching tow vehicle with the Trailer the easiest to understand.
If it turns out that the Passport UltraLite is beyond the capability of the GC then I will tow with my Hemi 2014 Ram 1500. After all the Positive reviews I have read on the ProPride hitch I will buy it. Safety is Priority 1. I am hoping the GC and UltraLite work out as I enjoy the fuel efficiency and power of the Ecodiesel. I am also looking forward to see what impact the GDE "Hot Tunes" ECM will provide for the GC once I get it installed.
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