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I posit that it was the act of clearing the fault code that bought you extra time and that the software update has no real effect once the damage to the cat has been done. They probably could have cleared the code without updating the software and the outcome would have been the same.


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I was skeptical after hearing TSB procedure stated first reflash PCM then replace parts. Despite my concern service rep stuck to the instructions. Now they are offering a loaner car to cover the day or days it will take to fix.

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Which prompts the question: for those of us who had the RRT applied before the encountering any P20EE, but after having driven 10+k miles, just how screwed up is our cat compared to you guys who got fresh replacement cats? That is, presuming the software fix stops further damage but is unable to reverse damage already done.

I guess I really don't care about what comes out of the tailpipe (i.e. I don't care whether the cat is poisoned and is spewing noxious fumes), but I *do* care if this near-failure is increasing backpressure and robbing my vehicle of fuel efficiency.

I think that might be a little short-sighted. You'll care if passing an emissions test is a precondition to renewing your vehicle registration. You'll really care if the test takes place after the warranty has expired.

As for your first question, I suspect virtually all of the oem cats will fail prematurely. I had a light come on last July at about 5500 miles. Don't know what code triggered it--I didn't have a scanner back then. The dealer flashed the PCM with recently released software and the light went away. I applied each subsequent update shortly after it came out to try to avoid a recurrence but my cat failed 10 months later at about the 16000 mile mark. So, RRT or not, I suspect it's just a matter of time.


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I think that might be a little short-sighted. You'll care if passing an emissions test is a precondition to renewing your vehicle registration. You'll really care if the test takes place after the warranty has expired.
Eh. Not an issue in my state. Besides, if the federal emissions warranty is up then I'll likely just SCR/DPF delete and lose the cat along with it for an even larger fuel economy win.

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As for your first question, I suspect virtually all of the oem cats will fail prematurely.
From what I've read it is in question whether this new cat part number has any substantive difference vs the original model. If that is true, then either the firmware is arresting further damage or everyone who got the flash + new cat will be lining up for yet another replacement in another 15k miles.
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I was skeptical after hearing TSB procedure stated first reflash PCM then replace parts. Despite my concern service rep stuck to the instructions. Now they are offering a loaner car to cover the day or days it will take to fix.

I hope you have better luck than I've had. Mine has been out of commission since May 12, except for the four days I made them give it back to me for a camping trip. They warned me that if I took it back I might end up on the side of the road. I tow with mine so a loaner has been a poor substitute. Still waiting on the O2 sensor they had to replace after replacing the cat.


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Eh. Not an issue in my state. Besides, if the federal emissions warranty is up then I'll likely just SCR/DPF delete and lose the cat along with it for an even larger fuel economy win.


From what I've read it is in question whether this new cat part number has any substantive difference vs the original model. If that is true, then either the firmware is arresting further damage or everyone who got the flash + new cat will be lining up for yet another replacement in another 15k miles.

I'm not so lucky in my state. Which is why I'm very concerned. Only time will tell, but if replacing the cat is doing nothing more than kicking the can down the road by getting me another 16-18k before another failure, then I'll be out of warranty by the next failure and have to face an emissions test to renew my plates.


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If replacing the cat is doing nothing more than kicking the can down the road by getting me another 16-18k before another failure, then I'll be out of warranty by the next failure
Bummer. I'm surprised/impressed you already have over 64,000 miles on your EcoDiesel, though. I think that if I lived in an inspection state and had a cat failure after the 8 year/80k mile federal emissions "specified part" warranty expired I'd probably just get another daily driver and use the EcoDiesel for off roading. Then again, I don't rack up the miles as quickly as you do, so mine would be an 8 year old vehicle by then.

But yeah, I think most of us were anticipating the EcoDiesel could last 200+k miles before wearing out.
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Bummer. I'm surprised/impressed you already have over 64,000 miles on your EcoDiesel, though. I think that if I lived in an inspection state and had a cat failure after the 8 year/80k mile federal emissions "specified part" warranty expired I'd probably just get another daily driver and use the EcoDiesel for off roading. Then again, I don't rack up the miles as quickly as you do, so mine would be an 8 year old vehicle by then.

But yeah, I think most of us were anticipating the EcoDiesel could last 200+k miles before wearing out.

I don't have that kind of mileage on my diesel yet. I only have about 16k on mine but the way I read the warranty the diesels only get a 3/36 emissions warranty for most if not all of its components. The eight years applies primarily to catalytic converters. SCR catalysts on diesels are not the same animal as catalytic converters on gas vehicles. I could be wrong (I hope I'm wrong), but after looking long and hard at the warranty language, I do not have any confidence that, with the possible exception of the PCM, the emissions warranty on diesels goes beyond the base warranty the way it does on gassers.


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I do not have any confidence that, with the possible exception of the PCM, the emissions warranty on diesels goes beyond the base warranty the way it does on gassers.
I guess we'll find out soon enough. At least with Max Care I can just let Chrysler fight it out among themselves which of their departments will be the one to pay for emissions repairs over the 8 years/120k miles.
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I'm not so lucky in my state. Which is why I'm very concerned. Only time will tell, but if replacing the cat is doing nothing more than kicking the can down the road by getting me another 16-18k before another failure, then I'll be out of warranty by the next failure and have to face an emissions test to renew my plates.
Another issue you might not be aware of is that it is almost impossible to clear out the emissions readiness monitors on the EcoDiesel. I'm more than 6K miles after getting my SCR replaced and all issues cleared and still have one monitor in "not-ready" mode. Check out my thread about this issue in: Emissions Readiness after CAT replacement
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Another issue you might not be aware of is that it is almost impossible to clear out the emissions readiness monitors on the EcoDiesel. I'm more than 6K miles after getting my SCR replaced and all issues cleared and still have one monitor in "not-ready" mode. Check out my thread about this issue in: Emissions Readiness after CAT replacement

No. I didn't know about this. Thanks for the heads up. It just keeps getting better.


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New vehicles in NJ get 5 year inspection stickers so my lease will end before it. Let's hope SCR catalyst isn't a 17k mile consumable.
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Another issue you might not be aware of is that it is almost impossible to clear out the emissions readiness monitors on the EcoDiesel. I'm more than 6K miles after getting my SCR replaced and all issues cleared and still have one monitor in "not-ready" mode. Check out my thread about this issue in: Emissions Readiness after CAT replacement

I have a little time before this becomes a problem for me - however, has anything been done to fix the issue before you get to inspection?
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