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What worries me is that I have had the new cat in place, and the updates.


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Re: MIL & P20EE again & again & again...

So, after roughly 17,000km (10,563miles), my check engine light has come on. With what I have been reading, I am a bit alarmed!

I have contacted the dealership and they cannot get my vehicle in until July 2nd!! I feel this is a bit ridiculous so what I plan to do is scan the truck myself; I have been looking into OBDII devices and I will be attempting to use a Bluetooth Device called Bluedriver. Hope to have it tomorrow to scan the truck.

Couple of questions for the people signed up on this thread and others:

-What is the warranty on these CAT components?

-Has anyone used the Bluedriver device from Lemur and what are your thoughts?

If anyone is interested in how well it works, let me know and I will keep posting what I find out what the device tells me and what the dealer tells me when they scan the truck for the 'Check Engine' light fault.
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My vehicle is scheduled to go in Thursday for a new Cat. I suggested to the dealer to also replace the injector and O2 sensor. They refuse to order the other parts. So when they take it apart Thursday I'm scared they will now need these parts and they will be on back order and I will be without the truck for quite some time. had Chrysler call the dealer today and the dealer still insists these parts aren't needed. Has anyone had just the cat replaced? I'm not sure what to do at this point. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
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My vehicle is scheduled to go in Thursday for a new Cat. I suggested to the dealer to also replace the injector and O2 sensor. They refuse to order the other parts. So when they take it apart Thursday I'm scared they will now need these parts and they will be on back order and I will be without the truck for quite some time. had Chrysler call the dealer today and the dealer still insists these parts aren't needed. Has anyone had just the cat replaced? I'm not sure what to do at this point. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

I just went through the process. My cat was ordered in the beginning of April and it did not arrive by the time I got the "your vehicle will not start in 200 miles" message. The Cat was the expedited and it took about a week to come in. I asked them to order the additional parts (injector and sensor) and they did not... When they installed the cat the other parts were needed (no surprise to those that are reading this thread). I was told the injectors were on back order until mid July... The dealer worked their channels and I opened a ticket with Jeep. The part was then "found" and delivered to the dealer last Friday. I got a call today that the vehicle is ready for pick-up. From the 200 mile message it took over 3 weeks and a lot of calls, chasing, etc... I'm not at all impressed with Jeeps inability to get the parts produced for what at this point should be a recall... Good luck!


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My vehicle is scheduled to go in Thursday for a new Cat. I suggested to the dealer to also replace the injector and O2 sensor. They refuse to order the other parts. So when they take it apart Thursday I'm scared they will now need these parts and they will be on back order and I will be without the truck for quite some time. had Chrysler call the dealer today and the dealer still insists these parts aren't needed. Has anyone had just the cat replaced? I'm not sure what to do at this point. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Most likely those parts will be needed. Mine has been in the shop 13 days now. They couldn't get the O2 sensor out, it needs a "clip", etc, etc. Get this... They were doing the "required " 60 mile test drive and the mechanic had to make a pit stop and turned off the car. It wouldn't restart. They had to have it towed back to the dealer. I really hope he was 30 miles out! As soon as I get it back it is being traded for an Overland v8. I'm done with this thing. MPG be damned.... It's not worth the pending failures hanging over my head. 190 miles in limp mode is sooooo fun. I was just hoping the engine would blow up.


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The dealer only replaced the cat and a gasket on mine and it has been p20ee error free since march. I'm in CA no snow, ice or salt. Maybe the injector and sensor are easier to remove???
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Most likely those parts will be needed. Mine has been in the shop 13 days now. They couldn't get the O2 sensor out, it needs a "clip", etc, etc. Get this... They were doing the "required " 60 mile test drive and the mechanic had to make a pit stop and turned off the car. It wouldn't restart. They had to have it towed back to the dealer. I really hope he was 30 miles out! As soon as I get it back it is being traded for an Overland v8. I'm done with this thing. MPG be damned.... It's not worth the pending failures hanging over my head. 190 miles in limp mode is sooooo fun. I was just hoping the engine would blow up.
You do realize they're not all like that...right? Getting a different engine doesn't free you from the risk of a lemon, I don't even think it decreases your risk.

If I were you I'd be more worried about your dealer's service dept. than getting another diesel, particularly if they'll be servicing your new Jeep too.
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The dealer only replaced the cat and a gasket on mine and it has been p20ee error free since march. I'm in CA no snow, ice or salt. Maybe the injector and sensor are easier to remove???
Very possible, but also possible you just have a somewhat competent service dept.
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Re: MIL & P20EE again & again & again...

After reading this thread and several others related to the topic, I was dreading taking in my rig after it threw this code. I travel out of my way to go to the "better" of the crappy local dealers and I still have no faith in them.

But the bright spot appeared when the tech, an angel named Hendrik with a thick Teutonic accent, approached me after a hour or so and said "The software flash will not solve this problem. It simply slows down the DEF pump. You need a new CAT." Before I could even ask he said, "The part will be here tomorrow afternoon and I can put it in first thing Friday morning." I was stunned.

I called the next day to confirm they got the part and I was at their door bright and early Friday morning as scheduled. They gave me a brand new Jeep Renegade (HUGE POS!!) for the day and had my rig ready before 5pm.

So, while the service writers aren't exactly rocket scientists, at least we have Hendrik. I asked him how many of these he's done. He replied "10 last month (May) and I'm on schedule to do 15 or 20 this month". WOW!
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Those are the requirements as covered under the Federal warranty requirement. Every car bought in the US has that basic warranty. If you read the next section about the supplemental warranty it makes NO distinction between gas and diesel.

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Emission Performance Warranty
This warranty supplements the federal warranty under 5.1. It lasts for 2 years or 24,000 miles on the odometer, whichever occurs first. If your vehicle has one of the following parts, catalytic converter and powertrain con- trol module, this Federal Emission Warranty covers that part for a period of 8 years or 80,000 miles, whichever occurs first. These limits are counted from the time when your Basic Limited Warranty begins under 2.1(E). The Emission Performance Warranty covers the cost of repairing or adjusting any components or parts that might be needed for your vehicle to pass Federal
EMISSION WARRANTIES REQUIRED BY LAW
Emission Standards for a federally approved state or local emissions test, but only if:
your vehicle has failed a federally approved state or local emissions test;
your vehicle has been maintained and operated prop- erly up until it fails such a test; and
you face a real penalty for example, a fine or the loss of the use of your vehicle because the vehicle has failed the test.
Section 6.4 explains how to get service under this warranty.
I hope my Maxcare will/would cover any/all of these issues for the 8/120?? If anyone can say 100% we are only covered 3/36, then this vehicle will be traded for significant loss of $$. Thanks for all the quality feedback. This is my wife's vehicle and she works from home so so far (2nd P20EE happened yesterday at 12500 miles) we're accepting this process. My concern is down the road will it end up being out of pocket for us, which would be a hardship depending on costs. Thanks again for the feedback. Rick
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I hope my Maxcare will/would cover any/all of these issues for the 8/120?? If anyone can say 100% we are only covered 3/36, then this vehicle will be traded for significant loss of $$. Thanks for all the quality feedback. This is my wife's vehicle and she works from home so so far (2nd P20EE happened yesterday at 12500 miles) we're accepting this process. My concern is down the road will it end up being out of pocket for us, which would be a hardship depending on costs. Thanks again for the feedback. Rick

The diesel engine doesn't have a catalytic converter so I'm not too comfortable with assuming the federal 8/80 applies the way it does to gas engines. I took a look at the maximum care coverages and I didn't see any mention of the emissions system at all. Maybe I missed it. If you have a MaxCare policy, it would be worth your while to read it carefully and see what it covers.

The problem we're all facing is that nobody really knows for sure what's going to happen down the road because these vehicles are too new to have reached the relevant limits. So, you're not going to get the 100% you're looking for. Educated guesses, some perhaps better than others, are about the best you're going to get right now.


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The diesel engine doesn't have a catalytic converter so I'm not too comfortable with assuming the federal 8/80 applies the way it does to gas engines. I took a look at the maximum care coverages and I didn't see any mention of the emissions system at all. Maybe I missed it. If you have a MaxCare policy, it would be worth your while to read it carefully and see what it covers.

The problem we're all facing is that nobody really knows for sure what's going to happen down the road because these vehicles are too new to have reached the relevant limits. So, you're not going to get the 100% you're looking for. Educated guesses, some perhaps better than others, are about the best you're going to get right now.

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Understood. We're on track to hit 36k in about 2 more years give or take, I/we all can only hope this gets worked out long term by then. Thanks for your comments. We love the vehicle otherwise and are averaging 31mpg hand cal'd through 12500k miles so far for what it's worth. Mostly highway/65mph.

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